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Post by p00p on Feb 29, 2004 10:24:23 GMT -5
Thank you alex!!! for putting that the way i just couldnt ! * Goes of to calm down*
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:26:19 GMT -5
I agree, but what about the pedo's that dont act on their desires, are they rapists too?
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Post by Fisher on Feb 29, 2004 10:27:48 GMT -5
got fed up readin half way through page 1, il just say my views:P lol
homos**uality: born with it....as it was stated earlier
Bis**aulity: see above
Transvestites: men who dress in womens clothing (or vise versa), different reasons for this....mainly because they feel comfortable....most are straight.
Trans**uality: men/women who believe they are the opposite gender trapped in the wrong body. before they go through the operation they have to go through years of physcratic help to see if they (for example) can live without their thingy without going mad...it has happened before.
either way, if someone loves someone, they should be alowed to be together no matter what (off topic: except people who are havin affairs, that just breaks the religious bond).
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:28:20 GMT -5
I dont think that everyone that fantasizes about children also acts on it, perhaps they cant stop the fantazise like homo's cant stop fantazise about the wrong gender, but where do you get your info from that all pedo's cant control themselves? how can you say that being naturally attracted to a certain gender is "wrong", im a medical student webbie, i also study psychology and ive learned things about these kind of areas, perhaps we need ozzy to post something as mental health is his field the fact is the only thing wrong with homos**uals is that you believe it to be wrong, a homos**ual could say that straight marrages are wrong because its different to what they see as right, but they dont. colorful people should have the same rights as straight people, the only reason people have anything against homos**uals or even compare them to the likes of a paedophile is out of fear, not a truer word has been spoken then the phrase... "People are only fearful of what they dont understand, and fear of fear itself is by far the worst kind of fear"
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Post by Fisher on Feb 29, 2004 10:30:36 GMT -5
pedos: at a sence everyone is a pedo...we all like young looking girls (18ish, not kids)....but in the sence of the law, pedos are people who molest kids and need delt with by the law. as i agree with this one.
rapests: most are sick flowerers who cant get women so they force their way upon them.....but on another side.....that new tv show cold case (yes we got it here), if anyone watches it there was a different reason on thursdays epesode (epesode 3 for the americans:plol). mainly its mental illness.
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:33:36 GMT -5
I agree, but what about the pedo's that dont act on their desires, are they rapists too? the act of rape is defined as getting someone who is incapable of making a decision or by forcing someone who can make decisions to have s** forced apon them, basically a rapist is someone who forces someone to have s**, its as simple as that, if a paedophile goes to children who are too young to make a decision for themselves and they get them to comply to a s**ual act, that is rape, if however they just watch children and think about it which would qualify them as perverts, it is not rape Pervert = someone who is attracted to young people but doesnt act on their urges Paedophile = someone who is attracted to young people and acts on their urges without any self control Rapist = someone who is attracted to people of their own s**ual preference and acts on their urges with self control the only difference between a paedophile and a rapist is that the paedophile has no self control and the rapist does.
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:36:30 GMT -5
how can you say that being naturally attracted to a certain gender is "wrong" no I didnt say it is wrong to be homo, I said homo's fantasize about the wrong gender.. meaning this certain gender is not the opposite one what do you think of the combination of a 16 year old and a 60 year old Alex?
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:41:32 GMT -5
what i dont see is how can a paedophile and homos**ual be connected paedophiles have a mental condition because a part of their brain isnt functioning properly / homos**uals get their desires from natural non damaged hormones. Paedophiles force s**ual acts apon minors and have no self control / homos**uals have s** with people of the same s** who are of concent and normally simular ages, and have total self control they are more like hetros**uals... the only difference between a homos**ual and hetros**ual is the gender of the person they have s** with, they date, get to know each other, live together etc just like what you would call "normal" people. apart from not being able to have kids due to their bodys being built for women to have kids and men to impregnate them. in fact while were on the subject theres nothing wrong with two homos**uals or bis**uals adopting children either, homos**uals are supprisingly good at playing a father and mother figure from research ive read, and children being braught up by them tend to only have problems from bullying because their parents are of the same s**, the point being that if a homos**ual can be as good a parent as any straight person, why shouldnt they be allowed marridge? you could bring religion into this saying that its the bibles fault for trying to make being colorful a sin
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:42:20 GMT -5
Paedophile = someone who is attracted to young people and acts on their urges without any self control well read this then A next argument for the normality of pedophilic feelings are the percentages of 'normal people' who said to feel attracted to children (about 20 to 25%), and who react with penile erection to 'pedophilic' stimuli: more the 25%. One cannot reasonably argue that about one quarter of the population is mentally ill. The last group of arguments refers to the DSM itself: its inconsistencies. So what then of the pedophile who does not act on the fantasies or urges with a child? Where does the DSM leave us? In Wonderland. If a person does not act on the fantasies or urges of pedophilia, he is not a pedophile. A person not distressed over the urges or fantasies and who just repeatedly masturbates to them has no disorder. But a person who is not distressed over them and has s**ual contact with a child does have a mental disorder. The APA position with its DSM catalogue is logically incoherent. Confronted with the paradox that in contrast to other conditions designated a mental disorder, such as with persons who hand wash to the point of bleeding and can't touch a door knob, or who are harassed by voices threatening their personal destruction, many pedophiles are not distressed by their erotic interest, aside from the fear of incarceration. Some celebrate their interests, organize politically, and publish magazines or books. So to deal with this paradox, DSM dug itself deep into a logical ditch. If a person's erotic fantasies are primarily of children and masturbatory imagined partners are children, that person does not have a mental illness, without more. Never mind these mental processes, those readers of DSM who are psychiatrists and treaters of the disordered mind. These people with these fantasies do not have a mental disease unless that person translates thought into action. This turns psychiatry on its head. Certainly a society can set rules on s**ual conduct and proscribe child-adult s** and invoke sanctions for transgressors. But that is the province of the law and the penal system. The DSM should not provide psychiatry with jurisdiction over an act any more than it should provide the law with jurisdiction over a thought. came from the link I posted earlier
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:43:14 GMT -5
no I didnt say it is wrong to be homo, I said homo's fantasize about the wrong gender.. meaning this certain gender is not the opposite one what do you think of the combination of a 16 year old and a 60 year old Alex? how is it the wrong gender, its the right gender to them its a bad combination for that big age gap but you dont see many homos**uals being of such a wide age bracket, this is down yet again to paedophiles, which are a totally different group of people, lol
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:47:53 GMT -5
btw you still didnt tell me what you think of a combination of a 16 year old and a 60 year old lol
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:49:16 GMT -5
what defines mental illness is the inability to control their urges, someone who thinks of kids that way but controls and ignores it isnt disturbed because their frame of mind is of that that can have full control over themselves.
remember, at one point or another everyone says something like they wishes someone were dead, but at no point do they go out and do it, once they do kill someone they cross the line into being disturbed.
over thousands of years many people and religions have considered that the difference between being mentally ill or being normal is all about control, many new age religions believe that controlling the mind is the only way to become truely free, this backs up my point that its all about control.
if you cannot control your brain, you have no chance of controlling your state of psycosis
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:52:16 GMT -5
if you can control your brain you can choose to be homo also
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:53:46 GMT -5
how amusing, that document contradicts itself on several areas, you can tell that the person doing this is just acting out of sheer biased opinion, he has absolutly no evidence to back up his theory which makes it nothing more then a contriversial theory not to be believed, in recent months the hormone that determines s**ual preference has been discovered and true we dont know exactly how it works but theres more evidence to back up that then a bottomless theory he said that its a lie, how can he prove that it isnt, thats just a moronic point of view that has been posted out of sheer biased conjecture
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