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Post by Alexander on Apr 3, 2004 6:38:47 GMT -5
do we all agree on this one?  no problem with it as its their personal choice  |
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Post by Warrior124 on Apr 3, 2004 7:04:12 GMT -5
I don't approve of it, myself, and I was shocked when I saw some people say they don't consider it to be immoral. Suppose it was one of your girlfriends, or boyfriends doing this. "Speaking to anybody in general". Anyway, I wouldn't want my girlfriend doing it at all. And would any of you want a girlfriend, or boyfriend whose been with several other people night after night? I sure wouldn't. It is very easy to say "it's their life", and "it's their body", and such. Good grief, if that is the case then we should get rid of all laws, and say that a person has a right to commit murder if they so desire.  Anyway, I think prostitution is wrong myself. Call me old fashion, but I prefer a woman who will love, and respect me as much as I would her. |
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Post by magnetism on Apr 3, 2004 8:39:45 GMT -5
but i had so many marketing ideas for you exile  ..gift certificates, 2 for 1 offers and even a $2 tuesday special  ;D |
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Post by Alexander on Apr 3, 2004 11:34:51 GMT -5
I don't approve of it, myself, and I was shocked when I saw some people say they don't consider it to be immoral. Suppose it was one of your girlfriends, or boyfriends doing this. "Speaking to anybody in general". Anyway, I wouldn't want my girlfriend doing it at all. And would any of you want a girlfriend, or boyfriend whose been with several other people night after night? I sure wouldn't. It is very easy to say "it's their life", and "it's their body", and such. Good grief, if that is the case then we should get rid of all laws, and say that a person has a right to commit murder if they so desire. Anyway, I think prostitution is wrong myself. Call me old fashion, but I prefer a woman who will love, and respect me as much as I would her. warrior, your morels are determined only by what you see right and wrong, morels are never something decided by a group, therefore the term immorel means that they believe it to be down personal choice. just because your morels tell you that its wrong doesnt make it so i think its discriminating to say you wouldnt date someone who had been a prostitute, what difference does it make as long as the person doesnt have a STD, arnt doint it while dating you and it was in the past? its immorel to control other people, if your girlfriend had been a prostitute, so what? you got a problem with prostitutes?, their humans like everyone else, just cause they do something you cant handle , lol sorry to say it warrior but that is one of the worst posts ive ever heard, your comparing a prostitute with a murderer, why get rid of laws? its really biased to say that if girls want to be prostitutes then why not let people murder each other, a prostitute doesnt do anyone harm, they dont intend to cause people pain and suffering and they arnt bad people murder is intent on suffering, pain and death, if people are allowed to murder each other sure u can dump all the rules but to say if people can pay for s** then people should be allowed to murder is the sickest thing ive heard  |
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Post by Warrior124 on Apr 3, 2004 14:17:50 GMT -5
Alexander, you should've known I was just making a point. Of course I would never want murder to be permitted. If you read carefully you would've seen the statement I made about other people saying "It's their life. They can do whatever they want with it" which itself is immoral. You yourself said that what is good, and bad is determined by what people see. So, why is murder bad? There are many reasons why it is. Why is prostitution bad? There are many reasons why it is. One of them is because it is derogetory of women. Women shouldn't have to work in prostitution to make money. They shouldn't even want to do it, either. Another reason is because there are many women who works in prostitution to get killed just about everyday. There're two reasons right there why it is wrong.
There are also many women who are married who works in prostitution. This too is wrong especially considering the vowels made when the man, and woman were getting married. To love, honor, and cherrish one another. Forsaking all others. What does forsaking all others mean? It means just that. Keeping ones self solely for the one they are married to body, mind, and spirit all.
If anyone answers this question with a yes then I feel sorry for whoever does. In these debates I have seen many times where someone would say "It is their life. They can do whatever they want to with it". What if you had a friend, or family member in perfect health. Their life was also nearly perfect, and all, too. Then, one day he/she decided to commit suicide. He/she told you the plan which was to go, and stand on the train tracks, and wait to get hit, and killed. Would you let him/her do that? If your answer is yes then I feel sorry for you, and please don't say this has nothing to do with this discusison, because it most certainly does. Whenever a woman prostitutes herself, every guy she has s** with brings her that much closer to death. Whether it is suicide, murder, or catching a disease that is incurrable. It's immoral to control other people from making a decision that can cost them their lives? I think it is immoral not to. We are all responsible for one another in some since, because we are all part of the human race. No matter what belief you have, at least that is fact.
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Post by Chuck on Apr 3, 2004 15:52:38 GMT -5
hows it not in the question? men can be protitutes as well you know , lol and so can gåy people, mobil was just saying that it could affect gåy men if the prostitute in question was a gåy man also The question seemed to be on girls/women  br]
prostitutes.....working girls or wanton girls ??
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Post by Webagent on Apr 3, 2004 17:12:42 GMT -5
i think its discriminating to say you wouldnt date someone who had been a prostitute, what difference does it make as long as the person doesnt have a STD The diffrence is how you value se.x, to some people it is something more then just lust, (or maybe its not even lust to some prostitutes but more like a living, absolutely no emotions at all) but its a verry intimite thing, I dont think its discrimination when you look for a partner that values se.x same way as you do, so why is it discriminating to say you dont want a partner with a prostitute past? |
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Post by Alexander on Apr 3, 2004 17:46:54 GMT -5
no, its not immorel, its against your morels not everyone elses  , also, theres a thing called free will, by telling people they cant do what they want with their lives or body if you take away peoples free will your turning them into slaves of the state women shouldnt have to work in prostitution to make money, people shouldnt have to become soldgers and die for their country, people shouldnt cut down the rainforests, people shouldnt kill each other, people shouldnt be homeless, it shouldnt happen but it does, its the facts of live and it isnt gunna change so theres no point complaining about it , lol as for they shouldnt want to do it, why shouldnt people want to do it? because you dont believe its right?, i dont see any harm in the fundimentals of it, just as long as their careful. that doesnt make it wrong, its not the prostitutes fault they got killed, the only thing thats wrong is the person behind the trigger who shot them, the prostitute did what they felt was the right thing to do at the time, or the only thing they could do for money at the time, going by what you said on the previous debate it would be better for a woman to become a prostitute then lie on the streets, homeless and pennyless waiting to die, because if their working, even in that line of work their doing all they can to stay alive. were not in the suicide debate but i would talk to the person concerned, ask why they were doing it and try to work things out with them first, if i couldnt resolve the situation and they were adament about doing it then i would respect their wishes and free will. dont feel sorry for me about my decision for me it is the right thing to do, i know for a fact theres no such thing as a perfect world, a perfect human or a perfect life and it will never happen, therefore i believe its up to people to choose the outcome of their life, even if its ending it early, its all in the balence of nature, i think there is life after death and if comitting suicide sends you to hell then "god" really has no respect from me and doesnt deserve any, but thats for another debate how does prostitution bring you closer to death? few prostitutes get murdered, not that many get STDs (more young teenagers get them from having unprotected s** and prostitutes are normally more careful then teenagers seeing how its their line of work i guess) i bet theres thousands that have been a prostitute for years and never had a STD and arnt dead... dont use extremist cases, it clouds the facts its immorel to take away someones free will, as their not putting someone elses life in danger, we are all responcible for our OWN actions not anyone elses, our OWN paths and to force people into your own regieme of what you feel is right is only another recreation of soviet russia. nothing is fact, no-one can be sure of anything, top grade scientists say that, geniuses say that, pholosophers say that, mathmatitions say that, and everyone should know that... one time we all said the earth was flat, and that was fact and we had evidence for it, the word "fact" is a bad word to use. sorry if i sound abrupt but this is a debate , lol no hard feelings |
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Post by Alexander on Apr 3, 2004 18:13:19 GMT -5
The diffrence is how you value se.x, to some people it is something more then just lust, (or maybe its not even lust to some prostitutes but more like a living, absolutely no emotions at all) but its a verry intimite thing, I dont think its discrimination when you look for a partner that values se.x same way as you do, so why is it discriminating to say you dont want a partner with a prostitute past? but it is discriminating to base judgements apon their past, i mean sure their not perfect but who is? , who says a prostitute doesnt value s** like a normal person, just because they happen to have to do it for whatever reason doesnt mean they cant commit to someone or value s**, i mean if it was sleep with some men, or be like a lot of the people on the street who just end up dying of hunger, cold, etc which would you choose?, just my opinion but if it was their only option other then death why hold it against them, i mean sure the s** would be meaningless when their a prostitute because their doing it for money, but you work in computing for money and the work u can do u may not put feeling into cause its for money not pleasure, but u can still have very strong feelings for what your doing |
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Post by Warrior124 on Apr 3, 2004 21:45:28 GMT -5
I know you all mean well here. However it seems some of the people here cares more about themselves than others, and whether you all believe it or not letting people make the choice to die isn't really respecting their lives at all. Our freedom wasn't given to us to squander it. It was given to us to make not only our lives better, but others lives as well. Now, how can a person accomplish this if they are dead? It takes away the very fabric of what our freedom is all about. And I don't care what anybody says about prostitution. It is always a bad way to go just to get money. Money isn't worth ending your life for, or lowering yourself to a standard where you have to sell yourself to get it, and it is not slavery one single bit to care about someone, and try your best to do everything you can to make sure that person doesn't make the wrong decision. It is however slavery if you have to prostitute yourself, and satisfy someone elses s**ual pleasures just to get money. I know this isn't a Brady Bunch world, but if we all can just start looking out for one another, and help to solve problems instead of just making bad decisions then this world would be a better place. You can't substitute one bad thing for the other. Meaning if a person chooses to prostitute themselves in order to be richer than they were before then that person is trying to substitute one bad thing for another.
P.S.: One night I was coming back home from seeing my girlfriend when I saw this woman walking the streets while it was raining. At the time I didn't think she was a prostitute. However, I pulled over, and asked her if she needed a lift. So, she got in the car, and started telling me where to go, and all. Before we got to where she was staying she asked me if I wanted to have s** for twenty dollars. BOY did my eyes bug out, lol. However, I told her that I didn't pick her up for that at all. I just wanted to make sure she had a ride so she wouldn't have to walk home in the rain. It may sound as if I'm gullible, lol, but I asked what she needed the money for, and she told me she was hungry, and needed something to eat. So, I took her to Wendy's, and got her something to eat. We talked about what problems she was having, and all for awhile.
Well, after eating we started off, again. However, I made sure we stopped by the grocery store first to get her some groceries. She seemed to be awe struck about it. Anyway, after getting her some food I took her home, and for the next couple of days I was calling around to get her help on some of her bills. All I asked in return was for her to try to make a better life for herself. I even called around to help find a job for her which we finally found one. Now, she is living better off than she was when she was into prostitution. Does it seem like slavery?
You see, we each have the ability to affect a positive change in other peoples lives if we see a problem, and help to rectify it. You can't make anyones life better by just staying out of their lives, and hope they make the right decision. If you let fire burn too long then soon it will encompass everything around it. Once you see the fire it is best to help put it out right then, and there.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Apr 4, 2004 2:16:58 GMT -5
Believe it or not, some girls actually find being s**ually active in any form quite liberating and empowering. They are the ones in charge. They are able to determine the difference between love and s** and realise that the two are not mutually exclusive of eachother. The do not have to do what they don’t want to do and don’t have to accept certain customers if they choose not to also. I really don’t see how there is anything wrong with that if it’s something they choose to do. It’s a money thing.
Quite often they have husbands or partners who are fine with their choice of profession because they know that intimacy does not have to be about s**. Sure s** is considered to be the closest thing that a couple can have, but i don’t really think it is. It’s just body parts touching other body parts or parts intruding. Intimacy for me is much more of an emotional thing, it’s minds meeting and sharing. I’ve had some hugely intimate moments with ppl that weren’t of a s**ual nature. I think it must be the same for a lot of pros.
Some girls may think there are no other options to selling their bodies, some may have drug habits or have just never been given direction. They are the ones to feel pity for, not because they are pros. You should feel sorry for them because that’s ALL they feel capable of doing.
Don’t think because some ppl are all for choice its because they care more about themselves than others. It’s a gross generalisation and a rather judgemental one at that. Sometimes with a more open attitude you are able to help ppl much more effectively, without freaking them out with a hard stance on whats right or wrong, immoral or moral. Taking the moral high ground doesn’t place you in a better position to make someones life better than anyone else here.
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Post by Alexander on Apr 4, 2004 4:52:11 GMT -5
yup warrior its nice to help people when you can, but when their drug addicts if they dont get the money outta guys needing s** then they will turn to other things like theft pashy is right that women can be in total control and they can stop whenever they want etc but you cant help everyone warrior, theres a balence in this world and if you tried to help every poor person, prostitute etc i can see it going sour in the end |
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Anyway, I think prostitution is wrong myself. Call me old fashion, but I prefer a woman who will love, and respect me as much as I would her.
..gift certificates, 2 for 1 offers and even a $2 tuesday special 
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, also, theres a thing called free will, by telling people they cant do what they want with their lives or body if you take away peoples free will your turning them into slaves of the state 
