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Post by Alexander on Jul 4, 2003 18:44:41 GMT -5
yea tell me about it, mabie artists should become more independant , lol
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Post by zero on Jul 6, 2003 18:51:29 GMT -5
i agree with the 'artists should become more independant' thing..it seems to me that the only musicians that are complaining are the ones that make more than a fair amount of money...none of the indie/underground bands are really complaining
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Post by rephlex on Jul 6, 2003 22:53:33 GMT -5
Well, it's true that bands hardly get anything for their CD sales. When they get signed, or are about to release a album, the company gives them an advance (amount varies on how the company sees the album doing on sales, and how much the last album sold). The band chooses what they wanna do with the money, but they have to pay it back with the money from CD sales and other stuff. Plus, on average, the bands get about 3 -5 cents (in US currency is all I know of right now ) per song played on the radio. If you're a huge, long-lasting band like U2, you might even get close to 10 cents (or more, and I'm sure I'll be corrected). Bands have to pay their own producer fees, the tour fees, and even the cover art. Average bands usually make most of their money on tour, with t-shirt sales and the other stuff they want you to buy. So, paying $40 dollars for a hoodie from your fav band really is supporting them. There's much more detail into this, but I thought I'd share the basics, or at least what I know. ~rephlex
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Post by Ender on Jul 7, 2003 21:49:18 GMT -5
Sorry for bringing up a half-dead topic (seems like it's a little older now (a day or two). But I've found out some more information pertaining to the original topic (not original =p).
16,000 United States Residents have been sued by the RIAA already. Ranging from a 7 year old child (who's parents were sued) that downloaded approximately 17 mp3 (songs) and 3 movies to college students (which is why alot of colleges/universities have stopped allowing any p2p sharing application on their students' computers).
Over 2 million users in Europe have been sent papers to attent a court hearing for their violation of the law (local copyright laws) and some have even been sued; others have just been told not to do it again (slap on the wrist).
180,000 users in Canada have been sued and some have been prosecuted for breaking copyright laws through p2p mediums (kazaa [lite], etc).
And don't you Aussies think you're getting off easy either, 10,000 of you have been issued court hearing papers so far, just to let you know.
Also, (for US Residents) the Senate is attempting to pass a law that will allow companies and users alike to "hack" your computer if you download music from their computer without them first agreeing to it (eg: manually sharing their folders/files). Not sure if it's going to be passed or not; who knows with those that know pretty much nothing about computers (the senate).
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Post by Alexander on Jul 7, 2003 23:31:13 GMT -5
rather then pay all that money mabie we should take the wise old advice of Mr. C Montgomery Burns from the simpsons... Mr Burns : if its a crime to love ones country then im guilty, if its against the law to steal from the government and sell to soviet cuba then im guilty and if its a crime to bribe a jury then ill soon be guilty of that soon too
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Post by Alexander on Jul 7, 2003 23:36:52 GMT -5
ok ive E-mailed the webmaster of the RIAA to find out exactly whats happening and if theres any sites for cheap LEGAL music , ive made it very diplomatic and said were a group who *cough* have too many cd's to count so we prefer it on a digital medium such as a computer as its easier to manage , ill see what they say and i used one of my anonmyouse old yahoo accounts in case i dont like the reply , haha
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Post by rephlex on Jul 8, 2003 1:06:44 GMT -5
Ender, I've read about the US law that was trying to be passed, which allowed companies to, basically, format your computer if you're caught. If I remember correctly, it didn't pass.. thankfully.
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Post by Draconis on Jul 9, 2003 10:01:27 GMT -5
Source PageJudge: Kazaa can't pursue lawsuitTuesday, July 8, 2003 Posted: 9:41 AM EDT (1341 GMT)LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- [/size]The distributor of the Kazaa software for sharing songs, movies and other files online cannot pursue an antitrust lawsuit against major recording labels and movie studios, a federal judge ruled. Sharman Networks made the antitrust claims in January as part of its defense of a copyright infringement suit filed by the entertainment firms. Sharman argued that music labels and studios conspired to keep authorized and copy-protected versions of their songs and movies off Kazaa. It essentially blamed piracy on the entertainment companies, saying they failed to work with Sharman to create a legal alternative. Not entitled to damagesU.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson dismissed Sharman's claims, which many copyright lawyers had considered a stretch. In Thursday's ruling, Wilson said that even if the allegations were true, Sharman would not be entitled to damages because it distributes file-sharing software and not online entertainment. "Sharman Networks was grasping at straws to distract the court from their own improper behavior," said Matthew Oppenheim of the Recording Industry Association of America. "We are pleased that the court recognized what we have said all along -- that these claims lacked any merit." The copyright claims against Sharman remain pending. Wilson previously ruled that two other file-sharing companies, StreamCast Networks and Grokster, are not to blame for any illegal copying conducted by the services' users.
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Post by Draconis on Jul 9, 2003 11:10:06 GMT -5
Source PageWHO GETS WHAT[/b] The MP3 Economy[/b] How labels and artists divvy up your MP3 dollar.[/b] By Nancy Einhart, June 2003 IssueThe going rate for downloading songs from online music services like Apple's ( AAPL) iTunes Music Store, MusicNet, Pressplay, and Rhapsody is about $1 a pop. Yet the economics of recorded music sales haven't changed much since the vinyl era -- despite the fact that digital files cost very little to produce and distribute. So how much of your buck makes its way back to the artists? Not much, though it's clearly a better deal than they get from piracy.
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Post by Alexander on Jul 11, 2003 8:21:51 GMT -5
it shows just how rotten the music industry is these days
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Post by Toni on Jul 19, 2003 10:28:25 GMT -5
Music industry wins approval of 871 subpoenas Saturday, July 19, 2003 Posted: 1:58 AM EDT (0558 GMT)
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RELATED • Recording Industry Association of America WASHINGTON (AP) -- The music industry has won at least 871 federal subpoenas against computer users suspected of illegally sharing music files on the Internet, with roughly 75 new subpoenas being approved each day, U.S. court officials said Friday.
The effort represents early steps in the music industry's contentious plan to file civil lawsuits aimed at crippling online piracy.
Subpoenas reviewed by The Associated Press show the industry compelling some of the largest Internet providers, such as Verizon Communications Inc. and Comcast Cable Communications Inc., and some universities to identify names and mailing addresses for users on their networks known online by nicknames such as "fox3j," "soccerdog33," "clover77" or "indepunk74."
The Recording Industry Association of America has said it expects to file at least several hundred lawsuits seeking financial damages within the next eight weeks. U.S. copyright laws allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but the RIAA has said it would be open to settlement proposals from defendants.
The campaign comes just weeks after U.S. appeals court rulings requiring Internet providers to readily identify subscribers suspected of illegally sharing music and movie files. The 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act permits music companies to force Internet providers to turn over the names of suspected music pirates upon subpoena from any U.S. District Court clerk's office, without a judge's signature required.
In some cases, subpoenas cite as few as five songs as "representative recordings" of music files available for downloading from these users. The trade group for the largest music labels, the Washington-based RIAA, previously indicated its lawyers would target Internet users who offer substantial collections of MP3 song files but declined to say how many songs might qualify for a lawsuit.
"We would have to look at historic trends, but that is a very high number," said Alan Davidson of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a civil liberties group that has argued against the subpoenas. "It doesn't sound like they're just going after a few big fish."
Music fans are fighting back with technology, using new software designed specifically to stymie monitoring of their online activities by the major record labels.
A new version of "Kazaa Lite," free software that provides access to the service operated by Sharman Networks Ltd., can prevent anyone from listing all music files on an individual's machine and purports to block scans from Internet addresses believed to be associated with the RIAA.
Many of the subpoenas reviewed by the AP identified songs from the same few artists, including Avril Lavigne, Snoop Dogg and Michael Jackson. It was impossible to determine whether industry lawyers were searching the Internet specifically for songs by these artists or whether they were commonly popular among the roughly 60 million users of file-sharing services.
The RIAA's subpoenas are so prolific that the U.S. District Court in Washington, already suffering staff shortages, has been forced to reassign employees from elsewhere in the clerk's office to help process paperwork, said Angela Caesar-Mobley, the clerk's operations manager.
The RIAA declined to comment on the numbers of subpoenas it issued.
"We are identifying substantial infringers and we're going to whatever entity is providing (Internet) service for that potential infringer," said Matt Oppenheim, the group's senior vice president of business and legal affairs. "From there we'll be in a position to begin bringing lawsuits."
A spokeswoman for the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts said the clerk's office here was "functioning more like a clearing house, issuing subpoenas for all over the country." Any civil lawsuits would likely be transferred to a different jurisdiction, spokeswoman Karen Redmond said.
Verizon, which has fought the RIAA over the subpoenas with continued legal appeals, said it received at least 150 subpoenas during the last two weeks. There were no subpoenas on file sent to AOL Time Warner Inc., the nation's largest Internet provider and also parent company of CNN and Warner Music Group. Earthlink Inc., another of the largest Internet providers, said it has received only three new subpoenas.
Depaul University in Chicago was among the few colleges that received such subpoenas; the RIAA asked Depaul on July 2 to track down a user known as "anon39023" who was allegedly offering at least eight songs.
There was some evidence the threat of an expensive lawsuit was discouraging online music sharing. Nielsen NetRatings, which monitors Internet usage, earlier this week reported a decline for traffic on the Kazaa network of one million users, with similarly large drops across other services.
[glow=white,2,300]I'm glad to see that in this country the rich are still worring about getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer -.-[/glow]
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Post by Alexander on Jul 19, 2003 21:27:39 GMT -5
ahh well i use the new kazaa lite with blocks, and stopped sharing files, so i just hope the RIAA dont have anything on me
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