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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Oct 4, 2003 13:47:44 GMT -5
i obviously havent made myself very clear.
the IDEA[/u] should be inspired.....
forget the methods he has used to bring the idea to fruition, encourage other methods.
would you tease and mock and chastise your children if they were to copy a paragraph directly from a text book for a project ? i dont think so ! would you never offer to help them when you saw they were doing the wrong thing ? i dont think so !
you would show them, encourage them to find their own words and explain to them the reasons why.
thats what GWC need. calm, rational motivating comments....why ?? because the IDEA of making somewhere very user friendly for chat addicts is a really good one.[/color]
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Post by kustom on Oct 4, 2003 13:51:22 GMT -5
How about being a little bit more subtle & give the guy some direction rather than criticize his efforts? ERRRRRRRRR WRONG, his efforts? have u been hibernating lately... the guy ripped everything, probably took him less then a goddam minute. I wish msn would hurry up and shut down these twits, this is just ticking me off. If you thought of everything yourself, and had nothing to do with msn, was user friendly, easy to set-up, cheap. then theres an idea.. but uve gone the cheap skate rout. your heading down to a dead end, still a few thousand miles yet to go. pashing, alot of things posted here are opinions, everyones entitled, if you dont like it, pack up and leave now k thx
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Post by overdose on Oct 4, 2003 13:51:25 GMT -5
Ugh ok pashingflower. Here's my 2 cents br] I don't like the idea.[/b] You and me are different people, so please don't go trying to push opinions inside my head, I said what I've had to say, I'm not going to bother on this thread anymore and give you the satisfaction To go on and on cause I'm not getting my point accross to you. Have a nice day.
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Post by Michio on Oct 4, 2003 13:55:29 GMT -5
OKay do u live in australia? well if u dont we anrt allowed onto msn any more they closed it off to anyone who has a IP address from Australia NZ and some oterh countried peopleuin Canada Uk US and Asia are lucky they can PAY FOR IT where we cant even if we want to just understand teh fact that iw ould if i could but i cant okay? stupid government and pedofiles thoy:S
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Post by эך|χэ on Oct 4, 2003 14:01:39 GMT -5
Yeah I have been hibernating & people treating others with so much disrepsect makes me wake up all that more grumpy. If you want to abuse people go elsewhere. The guy might be on the wrong path but this is the place to set him in the right direction. And no everything isnt ripped one page is ripped. Alot of armchair critics here so tell me wtf has any of you done lately? If u don't like his idea leave ya 2 cents & go we dont want your life savings aswell. If you want to be constructive give the guy some positive direction.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Oct 4, 2003 14:04:05 GMT -5
michio, i am in australia and i appreciate you trying to create somewhere else for us lowly non-scripting chatters to chat.
i think it's great you are going to change your layout etc. i dont know about codes and c*** like that, but if you want any help from just a chatters perspective i would be happy to assist.
just message me
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Post by Michio on Oct 4, 2003 14:05:02 GMT -5
well what do u want me to do i dont have any chat Australan chats are closed ot msn we cant access it after teh 14th yes i ahve tried ot make sure and that info is 100% correct now for people who want to help help people who dont just dont complain and dont worry and if u think it took 1 min it didnt reminding u id idnt make it a web master did it was CHNAGED eveyrthing except some source code was used yes but dont u get teh fact that i am trying to help nto distroy or annoy anyone dont u get the fact that what do u want me to do stop and odnt have any chat think about the people in Australia and NZ and who ever else dosent have access ot msn after teh 14th think of people who are under 18 who dont have a creditcard or who dont have parants who have one they an signup to pay for it even if ur on msn server how many people are on that? not as many as they cost a fare deal, look, we trying to help not be a clone we are trying to make a home for people on ninemsn who used ot chat and cant after the 14th in time we will change but for now u gonna have to pipe down and let me have a go please just leave me alone and let me do what i want to if i get in trouble i will learn a lesson if i get souced i will also learn a lession but at least provide a chance for me to try and if it suceedes well then here i am i wont say haha u were wrong i will onyl say you though it ata wrong direction but u were right at the time but i was bale ot still pass it and keep going, just give me a go please and throw me some meanful idas not liek burn yr modem take teh site down, [glow=green,2,300]Michio is Lost[/glow]
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Post by overdose on Oct 4, 2003 14:10:58 GMT -5
I'm not going to bother on this thread anymore and give you the satisfaction To go on and on cause I'm not getting my point accross to you. Have a nice day.
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Post by эך|χэ on Oct 4, 2003 14:15:46 GMT -5
Well Michio for someone who is 15 in 2 weeks I think you have done an awesome job mate. I'm sure with a bit of direction your site will be awesome. Any help I can give you feel free to PM me, I will do my best to assist
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Post by Ender on Oct 4, 2003 14:29:26 GMT -5
One thing many people should take in consideration that it is rather a good idea. But his implementation of this idea was not a good one. Yes, I know you kept source code and content the same; just changed some of the very basic outline and used a very old version of mschat.ocx (nearly as old as they get). Thing is, as good as an idea this is ...the reason why people are leaving oddball/rude/snide comments about it is how everything is pushed out to the public.
"230 employees" -- if a site as big as Techgear only has a few "employees" why would a smaller site with just as much effort have 230 employees.
"Permission from MSN/Microsoft" - Why lie? MSN/Microsoft has always been very picky about its copyrights. Even worst, their software (Microsoft anyways) alone has brought in alot of lawsuits due to piracy/copyright infridgement. I don't think Microsoft/MSN would just flat out say "Yeah it's okay".
Now about Aussie chats, everyone can access them. However, I'm more than positive that there will be a limit as to how many people at one time can be on that one server (NineMSN's Servers, I believe). Obviously someone hasn't been doing much research about the Aussie chats. US Chats are staying "open" but subscriber-base for UCR (user created rooms) while the rest that are 'open' are going to be forced into ONLY MSN registered rooms.
The fact is, most of us understand that it's not easy just switching servers out of thin air. Hell, many of the people having a panic attack over MSN don't even know what a 'server' is..let alone how to switch. Doing a year of working a Helpdesk and countless years helping friends/people online teaches you that some people just aren't computer savvy enough to go into an IRC room and understand what's going on. Unlike MSN, they'd have to use the /list command. On popular servers, the list would have more than 23,000+ channels that you can join. It takes a while for mIRC to gather all that information and it's not user-friendly like MSN. There's no categories. Just Channels. Some people don't know how to surf through for the ones they want (yes, scripters I know you can narrow your search persay..but many others don't). I understand many people want a user-friendly chatroom that they can join without having any quarrels about it. Just that nothing out there in the world is going to be "as good as" MSN Chat when it comes down to user-friendliness. MSN's webchat interface was a work of art for those who have no clue about computers or anything similar. Luckily, since the dawn of clients (bots to some) and scripts...many have at least learned how to do that much. Yet, they haven't had hands-on experience in a normal IRC (non-ircx) room without a script that can protect them.
I'm closing this topic right now..it's starting to get a wee out of hand with the arguementive personalities. I joked about, I'll be honest. I wasn't a perfect saint in this thread either. But, I have to say it's quite ...well, it's really sad ..yet funny. We'll see what happens in due time. Maybe by the time GWC is up with a new interface, I've devoured Microsoft Chat's Java Applet and have people connecting through it..or somehow get good RSA certs on an OCX i've made; but I doubt that's going to happen.
Good luck with GWC...hopefully you don't take any copyrighted material (images, content, etc) in the future. If you do make it big, congrats. But please, I don't see the point of going on about 230 employees. Sounds almost as bad as a 16 year old that claims he owns a very popular web hosting company without any links on his page (and supposively the company had been running for 5+ years as he started when he was 11 years old).
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Post by Alexander on Oct 4, 2003 19:15:58 GMT -5
ok now its my time to put something into this... Axel, constructive critisizm is one thing but your way out of line, the point is that your admitting you actually contacted MSN about them, do you work for them? or are you just trying to make enimys, either way it seems your trying to get into msn's good books. Dynasty, after looking at your website yes it does need a lot of work, and a new interface, logo and images are in order and its something you should think about soon, also while making your OCX try to make it look diffeent even the emoticons, because MSN can be very testy on copyrights, im sure many on this forum will help you. The idea that was put behind it was a very good idea, just badly implemented, you should try to make it as individual as possible, even if there are many simularities for instance, insted of msn's borders and layout, try a different color scheme, with your own pictures and borders, and your own content with no links to msn, i know it will take some time but it will be worth it, im deeply shocked at how childish people on the forum have acted towards it, if someone wants to create something like msn for all those that dont know scripting or bots or irc or ircX etc, well why not have something very simular, its something that is going to attract a lot of people with the right advertising because i know as hell those that cant use mIRC or other clients will choose that over Yahoo or AOL anyday, so good luck to them, dynasty if you PM me your messenger address i may be able to give you a few hints and tips, so you can iron out all the main issues that may come out in the wash from cloning, if we clean up the mess no-one can complain about anything on there except of course those who are silly enough to be swearing and spending all their time arguing over someones brave idea to create something simular to msn for those who want it cause they themselves are either too lasy to do it themselves or think its &*^% when they are the ones spending all day in a forum moaning about msn chat and how a clone of it is non elite to their g33k standards yea i know a lot of you aint gunna like me for saying it, but i wouldnt like it if you dumped all that on me cause i made something with the right intentions, just cause hes not got the thing ironed out doesnt mean its evil
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