Toni
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Post by Toni on May 30, 2003 21:41:36 GMT -5
have you listened to any puff daddy/pdiddy songs? lol i would say half of his singles are "sampled" from other songs
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rephlex
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Post by rephlex on May 31, 2003 2:16:47 GMT -5
The keyboard and sampler are 2 different things . The sampler uses pre-recorded material (for example, Madonna used it on a few of her newer songs for acoustic guitar pieces), and is able to be tweaked to sound different, whether the sample be original or from another source. I don't really consider the sampler as an instrument, but I guess if ppl get more creative with it (like Djs did with turntables) it could be called one. The keyboard is a machine that plays a sound/sounds and can be tweaked in millions of different ways with ocillators, filters, envelopes, wave forms and sometimes more common effects, like reverb, chorus, flange, etc. Keyboards have come along way. Some are even used to imitate basses and guitars, and I bet you never even notice. It even does entire film scores. A lot of orchestra music you hear in movies is just a couple of keyboards. I'm curious how you got the assumption that "Everything else is prerecorded tracks in which a sampling is used and looped". Believe it or not, most techno is actually original music, besides the samples from movies, speeches or other shows. Although, I can't speak for hip-hop/rap. I write a lot of music. Mostly rock (I bet you couldn't even tell I use a sampler for the drums, 'cause I play drums too, just can't afford a kit right now), but when I get in the mood, I like to write ambient/trance. I'm sure you wouldn't find any "pre-recorded tracks" in any of it either. edit: hey mccloone, i just looked over those pics you posted. I have those Yamaha ref monitors! I love those things!
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Post by w0rd on May 31, 2003 4:10:02 GMT -5
I dont care if an entire song is made up of samples (DJ Shadow VS. Cut Chemist - "Brainfreeze"), if it sounds good then I aint got a problem with it! ;D
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z00ey
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Post by z00ey on May 31, 2003 8:05:20 GMT -5
and at least you could interpretata every single note as kind of "sampled" ..they have been used million times before and at the end it just a slightly difference if they are "sampled" with a piano or with a chip
(i prefer "handmade" too.. ..but like mentioned above, the good "chip-based-music" is handmade too)
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Fisher
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Post by Fisher on May 31, 2003 16:35:43 GMT -5
when you actually write, compose and put music to a song come tell me that. personally i have done it, ive written 18 songs, chorded them all on the guitar, when you have that, come tell me its easy!!
edit** typo
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Post by Ohio on May 31, 2003 23:29:57 GMT -5
I have written and recorded my own music. Have been on tour with a few bands here and there. But mainly you misinterpeted my words. Is "IT" as difficult to compose as new song with guitar, bass, drums and keyboard, no. IT being trance, industrial, techno whatever. My meaning was it is a lot harder to sit down and compose a song with "original" instruments instead of twisting bits and pieces of other songs and mixing it together, and maybe adding a few bits. Never fear Fisher, we are a dying breed and I stand with ya.
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Post by Fisher on Jun 1, 2003 10:16:49 GMT -5
ohhh rite, i read it wrong yeah i know were dying, but wel survive....rock is the longest living form of music after all....but what discusts me br]tratiors like mcloone last year he liked the same music as me, now hes a techo freak....TRAITOR lol
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Post by Ohio on Jun 1, 2003 11:25:35 GMT -5
Went to see Poison, Vince Neil and Skid Row last night. Froze my a** off but it rocked. RocknRoll will never die. Skid Row, new album July 22nd.
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Post by Draconis on Jun 1, 2003 13:54:46 GMT -5
Well, I got my confirmation last night from Wind Up... I'm on the Access All Areas List for the 12 Stones show on Tuesday in Flint, so I'll have another review for Toni and David (and anyone else interested in the band). Right now (to keep to topic), my fav song would probably have to be either Drowning In Me or Shadows... Photograph is pretty good too (Shadows written for Paul's dad Tony, and Photograph written for his sister Leah, who's friend recently killed himself... sad story). Really psyched for the new album... they head back to the studio just after July 1st (they finish their tour on the 28th, and head home to start up on it). I should just start a thread dedicated to "Wind-Up".
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rephlex
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Post by rephlex on Jun 2, 2003 2:00:25 GMT -5
Fisher, "rock is the longest living form of music after all" is completely wrong. Classical, Blues and jazz (also even a real early, raw form of R&B, brought from Africa)... heh, even the polka are the longest living so far. Where do you think rock came from? I should add that the keyboard technically was invented in the 30s (err was it 20s? I'll research it for more detail), a decade or so before Les Paul even plugged the first electric guitar in. And, Ohio, why do you still think that every techno song is just a bunch of songs mixed together? Yes, there are remixes, like rock bands do cover tunes (remixing is usually more original, and harder work than just covering a song, because the remixer tends to rewrite most parts, but keeping the song similar [unless you're Aphex Twin, lol], giving it a more creative twist). And, you're not "a dying breed". I think rock will always be here, maybe just evolved, and melted together with other kinds of music, just like it's been doing (and started out as) the whole time. I'll admit, rock is my #1 type of music and I'd choose it over anything else in a heartbeat. I was just helping to defend techno, cause I happen to like it as well (especially industrial), and am open-minded about stuff . I'm not forcing any of you to like any electronic music, just don't bash stuff when obviously don't fully understand it. EDIT: btw, my last concert was a Meshuggah and Strapping Young Lad show (I'm assuming you know who they are, being the defenders of rock and all.) EDIT2:Typos..aarrgghh!
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Post by w0rd on Jun 2, 2003 2:45:51 GMT -5
Cant be bothered to find the right post for this.. lol. Anyone heard the new Beyonce & JayZ song ~ "Crazy In Love"? That's gonna be a hit when it comes out..
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Post by Ohio on Jun 2, 2003 12:27:11 GMT -5
reph|ex, I did not say "techno" was a bunch of songs mixed together. But you have to admit that with a lot of forms of "techno" (industrial excluded), the "music" (The melody and baseline) are ripped and twisted from another song. Industial is in my opinion the most "original" form of techno. Some of them even use real drummers. But on a whole, their creativity comes from manipulation, not creation.
As for the dying breed, that had nothing to do with music type, be it rock, jazz, fusion whatever. It was more of a comment refering to musicians. And musicians are a dying breed. There was a time a few years back a decent musician could make a halfway decent living. Sign up with a tour company. Get on a class A or class AA or Class AAA circuit and make a good salary. Try and do that today. You can't, the circuits are gone. Replaced by DJs and karaoke. Even the local scene has diminished. Bars and clubs either switched formats or they are out of business due to stiffer laws causing a loss of patronage. Musicians are a dying breed, it is their own fault, but that is a whole other discussion.
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Post by dreamseeker on Jun 2, 2003 13:16:11 GMT -5
I like 'Puff the Magic Dragon'
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rephlex
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Post by rephlex on Jun 3, 2003 3:32:34 GMT -5
Ok, Ohio, I should have stated from the begining that the overdone stuff, the typical "boom-chk-boom-chk" and the "rez-filter-knob-tweak-on-the-one-and-only-line-on-constant-repeat" electronic stuff is terrible and I wish it to die (lol). Then again, just about every kind of music has it's assembly, or collection, of people who won't give up until they are the reigning kings of generic over-production. Rock had it, and again has it, and hip-hop/rap seems to be stuck in a loop. I could say today's rock is just a bunch of uncreative people (followers, rather) who down tune their guitars and whine about how they unloved they are, with lyrics any and probably every 7th grader can write, or does write. But, you gotta admit, simplicity seems to have a certain catch to it. It hooks the listener. I can't go into detail, because I don't fully understand it myself, nor would I want to. Anyway, back to your latest post. Just had to get that out... lol. It's unfortunate for your local area that there's a loss of patronage due to it's musical tastes being out of date, still wanting what was done 5, even 10 years or more ago, over, and over, and over (tell me, are mullets still in style too?). But, where I live (just below Los Angeles) the clubs and bars thrive on the mix of electonic one night and rock (be it classic, metal, or indie) another, maybe punk or hip-hop mixed in the week. Maybe that's what makes a city like L.A. always one of the musical Meccas. Just think of a keyboard like a guitar, with many more options. They both have a few octaves of playing area, but a guitar bascially is stuck with one sound. You can change the eq, maybe add some basic effects here and there, even use a little different technique, but you don't have the freedom to really alter it, you know, make something new with it (without sampling it and changing it electronically, of course... lol). It seems that the newer bands like to change up rock a bit by using thier guitars to imitate what a keyboard can do. Bands like Rage Aganst The Machine/Audioslave and Korn, are among the few who are changing what rock is today, and quite honestly, there's probably nothing you can do about it. You can choose to accept it and work with it, or sit back with your tape deck and remember what rock used to be. In the true words of Dennis Miller, "The world is one big metling pot... SO MELT!" Whew! It's late! I hope this made sense with all it's jumping around and sporatic thoughts. EDIT: grammer fix... the late night retardness is setting in. oh BTW z00ey... "and at least you could interpretata every single note as kind of 'sampled' ..they have been used million times before..." And every note on a guitar hasn't been used?
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Post by Ohio on Jun 3, 2003 7:24:05 GMT -5
Oh, it was not the music that killed the patronage, it was the 15 cops sitting outside the bar/club at 2am waiting to deal out as many DUI's as possible. But a lot of musicians in my area, and several other areas (music meccas like LA, Seattle, ect. excluded) became lazy. 10-15 years ago there were so many clubs/bars wanting live performers that there was a kind of unbalance. More places to play than bands to fill the bookings. So a lot of bands became greedy, they would have a gig booked for 3 months, some other place would offer more money a couple days before the gig, so they would either cancel, or just not show up. They thought they had a monopoly, that the abundance of gigs would last forever, so they became lazy. Halfass playing song, not learning anything new. People got burned out on it. Like listening to the same CD over and over. So DJ's and karaoke started to take over. By the time the musicians crawled of a groupie and opened their drunken eyes, it was to late. They had been undercut by the prerecorded industry. Some of the guys I played with even made it worse. They sold there guitars and amps and drum kits, bought some CD players, charged up their girlfriends credit card buying cd's and became DJ's. When you ask them why, they would reply "Why should I stand on stage and sweat and work for $100 a night when I can load a disc changer, program it and make $250 a night?" Video killed the radio star, and the DJ killed the musician.
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