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Post by p00p on Feb 29, 2004 9:26:05 GMT -5
I wasnt saying she was advocating it Chuck. Im mearly pointing out that its not a prefrence its a disorder. Not once did i hint she was being an advocate for it, just that she keeps raising the issue of it being a s**ual prefrence when it clearly isnt. And yes hobos**uality was looked apon in such a manner as you mentioned, Intresting link...i do believe Jon Marsbury of Oxford Done a 10 page paper on the topic of s**uality in todays society and raises some points of what chuck just raised. But you would have to scan around the net for a copy...i believe it was titled " s**uality in a Conservative Society" Early 90's work but alot of the Logic is still applicable to today
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Post by Chuck on Feb 29, 2004 9:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by p00p on Feb 29, 2004 9:29:17 GMT -5
Another Intresting link Chuck and its ok to post it i believe, ive read alot of news about them over the years. They also have a Main site, but not sure what the link is. But i think they landed in some legal trouble not so long ago did they not?
*Cant see why the link would be wrong Chuck given it just provides a light description in the same manner wikipidia does*
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 9:29:22 GMT -5
www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200306%5CCUL20030611c.htmlread this f00k ^^ You say pedophilia is a mental illness? ok tell me what do you think about: exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism also sick in the mind? I'm not advocating pedo indeed but just because something is moral not accepted does it make you sick in the mind? can people with abnormal fettish not function as normal people in this world like homo's can?
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Post by Chuck on Feb 29, 2004 9:37:19 GMT -5
I wasnt saying she was advocating it Chuck. Im mearly pointing out that its not a prefrence its a disorder. Not once did i hint she was being an advocate for it, just that she keeps raising the issue of it being a s**ual prefrence when it clearly isnt. Well, your tone was harsh... some people will just stop participating in the discussion.... anyways, lets move on. Depends on how you look at it. If I apply the same logic to hobos**uality... it's not a s**ual prefrence in my opinion. The only difference is that in pedophila the children are not sufficiently mature to be able to consent to s** and that s** with children is therefore rape. So the same act between a 16yr old and 40yr old wouldn't be considered pedophila. It is classified as hebephilia. What's your opinion, on hebephilia?
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Post by Chuck on Feb 29, 2004 9:40:38 GMT -5
In US colorfuls sometimes also lands in some legal trouble. It doesn't make a difference it depends on the laws in the country.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Feb 29, 2004 9:46:56 GMT -5
and to think i was gonna have another discussion on peds...guess i will leave that now.
seems to be running off topic...so one more day i will close (actually less than a day) and new topic will be up
fook will have a lot to say in the next one too
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 9:49:55 GMT -5
well with a s**ual preference I mean the s**ual fantasy you have, a homo will fantasize about another man, a lesbo will fantasize about another female, a pedo will fantasize about a child, they all prefer what they se.xual fantasize about. this is an interesting article also br] home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/files/asb.htmI disgust pedo's dont get me wrong but suppose its something genetic, a mistake in the brain, dna, hormone level like with homo's as many of you think then why is pedo a mental illness and homo isnt? just because acting on the fantasy is against the law? In SM people would like to be submissive get so called raped or something and others want to be dominant, this is a roleplay but you cant actually go out and rape someone for real, thats against the law.. but they have these fantasies.. mentally ill too?
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Post by p00p on Feb 29, 2004 9:56:07 GMT -5
I dont say that Gender Issues are abnormal what i do say is, as a direct effect of that Issue the person may develope some/has to cope some psychological issues, And i wholey agree that the medical establishment was wholey wrong when it came to hobos**uality in the 70's and back,On the Gender Issue i wouldt say its abnormal but it does commonly involve some Mental issues as it is undoubtable something that effects your mental well being ie: Taking on these feelings, Acceptance of them, The every day stress of living with them. When i Say " Disorder" it doesnt mean im saying "Abnormal" and its important to make that distinction.
And i would tend to agree with Moser and Kleinplatz on the matter of deeming a entire group of people psychologically unhealthy, what i would say is some of these less accepted activities such as S&M have some psychological issues attached to them, but ive never once said that those issues where the cuase of their behaviour, its more like the issues are brought on by the Acts. No please web when i say " Disorder" i dont mean "Abnormal" But once again you cant put something like S&M in the same Standing as hobos**uality or S&M when it comes to looking at a supposed "Taboo" issues becuase simply pedophilia is a mental condition. The fact hobos**uality was misunderstood Greatly does not mean that Pedophilia is and will one day become a Norm, Case by Case Basis.
As ive stated i wouldnt say people who partake in the fore mentioned acts are mentaly ill or suffer a specific disorder but alot of those you mentioned do have alot of mental well being issues attached to them , and yes i dont just say pedophilia is a disorder web, The fact is...Pedophilia is a disorder of the mind, just becuase one thing was Mis taken as a disorder doesnt mean that others have.
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:01:27 GMT -5
webbie, a homos**ual, bis**ual etc would have total control over their urges, they can stop themselves from sticking their tongues down each others throats for a while, lol ;D a paedophile has no control over themselves, they cannot stop themselves doing it, just the fact that its children makes the situation worse rather then being a rapist
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:06:14 GMT -5
But once again you cant put something like S&M in the same Standing as hobos**uality or S&M when it comes to looking at a supposed "Taboo" issues becuase simply pedophilia is a mental condition. The fact hobos**uality was misunderstood Greatly does not mean that Pedophilia is and will one day become a Norm, Case by Case Basis. well read that last link I gave they have been part of the DSM list. If you want my personnal opinion, I think there is something wrong with you if you are a pedo, weather it is mentally or a mistake in the brain. And Chucks question is an interesting one what about the situation where one 16 and the other is 60?
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Post by p00p on Feb 29, 2004 10:13:53 GMT -5
And yes Chucks is and intresting question but ima drop from this debate before i get worked up lol!
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:16:13 GMT -5
a paedophile has no control over themselves, they cannot stop themselves doing it I dont think that everyone that fantasizes about children also acts on it, perhaps they cant stop the fantazise like homo's cant stop fantazise about the wrong gender, but where do you get your info from that all pedo's cant control themselves?
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Post by Webagent on Feb 29, 2004 10:16:45 GMT -5
no f00k go on please lol, I wont be offended
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Post by Alexander on Feb 29, 2004 10:22:08 GMT -5
homos**uals are of age when they have s** (within reason) and they are the same as what you would class as normal people, they have consented s**, why outlaw something that has no differences with straight s** other then the type of person they do it with, to outlaw colorful s** and marridges is just plain discrimination, its a hate crime, and if it was in europe it would violate the human rights act, how does it harm someone if two homos**uals or bis**uals get married, it doesnt, its just personal views, they dont do anything illegal, they dont harm anyone and to outlaw it would be dispicable, being homos**ual to most people has been a natural thing, people dont go point out who is colorful, they get along with their lives and the majority have nothing against people of that nature
paedophiles are rapists, they are basically inhuman and a preditor, its not their fault by any means but the fact stands that they have no concept of the laws todo with it, they have you cannot compare them as they are so different, the point is that paedophiles hurt innocent children, they force them to comply to acts of rape, a homos**ual or bis**ual wouldnt do something like that, unless of course they themselves were paedophiles or rapists
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