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Post by w0rd on Nov 13, 2003 8:56:37 GMT -5
Duke, I can only hope you're right ;D
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Post by nita on Nov 13, 2003 10:17:39 GMT -5
I totally agree with you Duke. There is going to be a fourth one, it's just a matter of time.
The thing is, all of you so far I think, other then me and Duke..Believe that Neo died...But I don't think he died. Through out the entire movie there was way to many things that was not ever answered unless I missed a part.
Another thing that has me wondering...Neo was at the train station..and whenever he finally got away from there they left in a car..Morph..Neo..Trinity..and the Chinese Man..(can't think of his name)...and link asked......"Did you get Neo?" And Morph replied.."yes, Can't you see him?" ...... see....that is just weird. I don't know for sure what to think about that particular part yet.
Plus as I stated already and Duke said.. that lil girl is a major part for part four..they left it open to were she could be so much.. When the agents closed in on her and the Chinese Man.. with no saying as to what the agents did? I know you can't tell me they walked in there and did nothing..lol.. The Chinese Man wasn't protecting the Oracle now, he protected the lil girl. I think Duke is right..The Oracle looked up to him and said..It's time...GO now.. and with that they left her alone. Probably cause the girl will have the Oracle powers ... perhaps. Do any of you know WHY the Chinese Man didn't want the AGents to get to the girl? And when they did get to her.....what they done? :S
Why was the lil girl laying down on the ground then got up with the cat? She was laying there like that fight between Neo and Smith had affected her..same as it affected the Oracle..But no others.. I don't know about you. But something happened in that room with the agents and the lil girl and Chinese Man. We will have to wait until the fourth movie to find out what.
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Post by AbsoluteGenius on Nov 24, 2003 7:42:40 GMT -5
My oppinions
People could be taken over by agents because they are plugged into the Matrix via the machine world, Trinity/Neo etc are hacked in and the Agents cannot Jump them. The only way to get them for Smith was to copy (infect) inself on them but never got the chance until the end with Neo and of course almost did once b4 in Part2.
Agent Smith was a Virus and was threatening to destroy both humans and machines.
Neo made a deal with the Machine leader to take out Agent Smith and knew from the start he had to loose the fight, but had to make Smith believe he had won.
Once Neo became Smith he was not killed by the electricity - it showed the flow power being sent into Neo it was just a visualization to show the anti-virus software being uploaded via Neos connection because now Smith was re-connected to the machine world where before he had become "unPlugged" as he put it.
Neo's body may have died from the trauma but as he already proved - he can seperate his mind from his body and so you can bet he is in the matrix as pure thought with no body to worry about.
The tale does state that its a cycle , and there have been 6 Neo's before, but this time the Oracle managed to get this Neo to change his choice from Saving Zion the easy way (returning to the source and wimping out) or doing it the hard way, thus breaking the cycle and giving the humans a chance to life in peace. This peace may last 1000's of years and the Machine leader agreed to not interfere with the humans in the Matrix or Zion and those that the Zion'ese get to leave would not be harmed.
The story is very biblical in the fact that Neo sacrifices himself for the good of the others, like Jesus. he is gone but not gone - and will live on in those who believed in him, just like other religious followings.
I dont think there will be a forth, after all what could the story line be about. It would be stupid to start the story again.
At the end when all the Smiths Explode it shows you the extent of what he did. he took over every one and every program in the matrix, but when he was detroyed i believe that all those taken over returned to normal. as for the little girl. I think she and Seriff had been taken over also.
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Post by (-(a)mm(o)-) on Nov 24, 2003 11:37:48 GMT -5
eceryone that was taken over by smith was back after he died maybe neo as well?
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Post by nita on Nov 24, 2003 12:06:11 GMT -5
And it's possible as well, that if Agent Smith had taken over the lil girls body and Seriff.. that this leaves a opening for part two..cause Smith lived through them.
lol
I don't know. Maybe it's wishful thinking now.
Good Post AG.. I enjoyed that.
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Post by Fisher on Nov 29, 2003 19:35:20 GMT -5
ok, i got half way though page 3 and got flowered off reading lol...hes my interpretation (and my 1st ever davidish post ;D lol) of the posts as i see as mistakesbr]
Seen it last night, sure it was awsome special effects etc but I felt as though the ending was incomplete mabey just the disappointment of the film ending and that was the final one but I wanted more lol You recon the little grils comment to the oracle about ever seeing neo again was a hint that mabey this isnt the end.. lol Just a hope
i agree, ending was rosygardene, but it was a good film overall, they needed more, and it is left open to start again....not a new "the one" but neo return, as the orcale mentioned she doesnt think its the end of him "The body cant live without the mind..." Neo dies in the matrix, so it mean's he's dead in the real world too he also died in the 1st one and came back because he is the one.thats why i didn't say too much. lol they left the ending like that so that you wasn't sure what happens. there is so much that could have happened. like when the oracle and architect were talking you could see that the matrix cycles. this was shown in the second film aswell. this was the 6th time there was a 'the one' in the matrix. with the oracles intervention she was able to direct neo to choosing the other door creating a break in the loop. the oracle is ther to unbalance equations the architect is there to balance equations the first matrix was too perfect and too many people in the matrix realised this and broke out. so the oracle was programmed to make the matrix less perfect. agent smith was made by the architect to balance neo out. they are the exact opposite of each other. when smith defeats neo his purpose has ended. that is why his program was terminated. like when he said "all beginnings have an end" he realised that his purpose was soley to destroy neo and once that was done he was finished. well, Neo dies in part 1 too (in the matrix) but he came back to life.. and Trinity died in part 2 so they can bring them back to life in part 4 again. However I read Cypher say these actors dont want to make part 4 right.. but wasnt it a circle? The one will die and can assign a few to rebuild Zion like it happened 6 times before? this is actually a never ending story lol, I just hoped the circle would have been broken in part 3 but sounds like it didnt. ps I'm still puzzled by the end of part 2, how could Neo stop the sentinels outside the matrix.. he is human afterall if Smith has no power outside the matrix then how can Neo have.. I also dont understand that in part 2 there was a keymaker needed for Neo to enter the door for the architect.. you see a huge fight (of about 20 minutes) between agents and humans because agents are supposed to destroy the keymaker.. here comes what I dont understand.. these agents can crawl into any person right? why dont they crawl into the keymaker instead of other people around.. why dont those agents crawl into one of the main actors they are trying to get? rather then surrounders if they can take any shape or thing they want (inside the matrix)? Why didnt they crawl into Trinity? or this other guy I forgot the name of.. basically...neo and trinity DO want to make a 4th movie, agents cannot go into neo, trinity etc because they are unpluged, and the key maker is a program not a person
also, neo says he can feel the machines, they are part of the matrix, so it only makes sence he can control them in real life as well as in the matrix
smith could have turned trinity if he wished, as he did with the guy he went into....remember...[quote author=[- -D-[X]-] link=board=mus&thread=1068069739&start=38#2 date=1068578704]i reckon there gonna make a 4th one in while wid a totally different story, cuase u never actually see neo die he got taken over, but wen the little girl got taken over they were okay after smith died so neo's probably okay.......... theyll probably drag it on for a while longer but never as much as star wars or summit like that.[/quote] little girl was a program, as was oracle and syrakm lol
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Post by z00ey on Dec 1, 2003 16:15:30 GMT -5
part 1: really awsome, allthough the story is patched together from a few other stories ... but anyway, they did it nice and the script is 80% very well done (let s just not watch closely at some really really bad parts of the script like the "backyard scene" near the end eg: "operator, i need help, wonderboy" or something.. ..then operator "the door , neo" OH MY GOD, of course the door, doh ! ...oh well.. ..not very much scripts are perfect or nearly perfect, you are excused, brothers..
part2: now we see what happens when they are triyng to draw a plot without just patching a few older stories together.. ..what happens is .. hmm.. well.. actually nothing much.. but this nothing happens in a nice way (allthough the relations seen in part 1 are totally gone: agents are much too weak, humans are too strong.. ..trinity should be shot like 20 times before she jumps out of the building, doh... etc etc etc etc etc... i could go on and on.. ..but that isn t the point anyway.. the story is just UMM... ...hell the zion takes are just embarissing.. ..and most of the dialogs are so ... well just bad, lol.. same as in b-movie easterns, lol (the restaurant scene is one of the VERY few positve parts of the script)...
part3: i wish they would have engaged some writers (in part2 allready)... ..the brothers are gods when they have a nice plot that needs to be visualized.. ..but they really suck at developing a plot we see now.. ..i ll make this short: ...nothing but PATHETIC !!!! :\
anyway.. ..more entertaining than a _whole_ lot of movies out there (due to fights/sfx), enjoy ;p
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Post by z00ey on Dec 1, 2003 16:49:36 GMT -5
btw (just read the whole thread).. ..talking about part 4,5,blah.. or not.. i wished there wouldn t be one but anyway.. ALL what happened in part one,two and three just could have been a matrix itself °_^
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