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Post by Ohio on Mar 16, 2004 14:19:48 GMT -5
everyone acts like teaching about religion is the only way to teach about accepting diversity in cultures and religion...
it's a separate issue entirely in my books. it's the same as saying you can only teach morals through religious teachings.
complete rubbish !
i dont believe christians are discriminated against in australian schools. kids are free to believe what they want, talk about it, pray if they want. however, just like other kids of other religious persuasions, they are not allowed to let it interrupt their normal day to day routine of learning, which is just how it should be.
i want my kids learning A,B,C's and 1,2,3's whilst in primary school. thats what schools for, consider it my childs job to go to school and learn those things.
any other teachings will come from myself, family, friends, books, tv, movies, and experiences... [/i][/color] [/quote] Since you quoted me, I am going to assume you were refering to me in your reply. In no way am I saying "teaching about religion is the only way to teach about accepting diversity in cultures and religion". What I am saying is if you leave it up to the parents and churches, different religions will never have respect for one another nor will their ever be peace between them. They all point the finger at the other ones and proclaim, "we're right, your wrong, and your gonna go to hell." Almost all theology is a fear based system of teaching. Following the teaching you will be rewarded, fail to follow you will be punished. Is that stout Christian going to teach his children that islam is ok? Or is a muslim going teach his children that judaism is Ok? Nope, they are just going to breed more hate. That may not be their intention, but it is the end result of their teaching. There is a huge difference between culture and religion. Sure some cultures are predominantly one religion, but not always. You can buy the products of culture, you can taste the food of culture, you "see" culture. Religion you can taste, you can touch, you can see, you can not hear, because religion is based on thought. Culture is tangible, religion is a way of thinking. So you can not treat them as the same thing. You can have different religions belong to one culture(India: Hindu, Buddhists, Muslim, Christians, Agnostics, Animists) and you can have many different cultures belong to one religion. Because they are seperate things. So teaching cultural diversity does not cover religious diversity.
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Post by Alexander on Mar 16, 2004 16:47:35 GMT -5
you are flowering kidding me right ?
what the hell use do any of your children have for guns ?? i am gonna hazard a guess and say NONE. i'd hazard a guess and say majority of adults dont either. so why oh why would you need to have your children learn to use a gun properly.
how about getting rid of that ridiculous gun culture you americans seem to love so much....might make a world of difference.
i cant even think of anything to say - i'm too outraged.
[/b][/i][/quote] actually contrary to popular belief, america has less murders from guns, accidents with guns (outside war ) and generally less guncrime then the UK does, the uk outranks american on base of scale to more rapes, murders, hate crime, and guncrime, this shows that teaching kids how to use a weapon is in fact a good thing to do, in theory.... While I agree with what you say about guns I don't believe in letting tv, movies, and such be a moral stand for kids. In most of the shows that are shown you see things such as s**, violence, and such as that. However, you hardly ever see good will towards one another, and people visiting the sick, feeding the hungry, and such. Just because Christianity embraces these kinds of teachings doesn't mean it is ONLY for Christians. Anyone can apply these to their lives. Christianity is a word that means a follower of Christ. Those who are called will hear HIS voice, and will follow. That is what a Christian is all about. However, you don't have to be a Christian to apply its moral teachings to your life. As a Christian it IS my belief that the only way to salvation is through faith in Jesus. However, you don't have to have faith in Jesus to apply its moral teachings to your life. It is only right to love your neighbor as yourself. It is only right to feed the hungry, or visit the sick, and such as these. If people would start doing these things, and teach their children to do the same then this world would be much better off than it is now. Schools can apply these moral teachings to their other teachings without neccessarily making it a religious issue. As much as I would like to see Christianity taught in schools, and such I know many people wouldn't want that. However, don't sacrifice teaching moral values just because you think it is of a particular religion. Doing the right thing is for everyone of any creed, or national origin. It isn't just limited to a certain religion. if christianity thinks that your morels and helping others is the most important thing in the world then considering thats the whole concept of wicca, why do christians bash the new age religions so much and say pagans are all going to hell cause though they did good things they didnt follow ole jesus and christian god funny thing is that a lot of people say their christian but dont goto church much or prey in their own home unless their either desperate or want answers, they dont help others at all and if you take northern ireland into consideration, they kill each other over it, lol PS : well done ohio youve put it into perspective very well, religions tend to no involve other religions because they want to keep their believers, causing the problem of bias and the term "believe or goto hell"
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Post by p00p on Mar 16, 2004 18:49:54 GMT -5
Well that comment is slightly unfounded, Islam as an example see's many, many people from outside of islam as part of the faith due to the fact good ol "M" (peace be apon him) had the foresight and bredth of mind to relise that his messege was just one of many of gods/allahs ways of bringing his messege to man, on the concept of heaven and hell , the issuses of heaven and hell have been rather twisted over the years by various christian based faiths, for example we can take the catholic concept of purgatory that frankly has very weak foundations and it is rather suprising that most mainstream catholics "Sheep" with this concept of purgatory when it was in essence brought in by various catholic powers of years gone by as a control tool more than anything else, ie: a long dismissed concept of a middle hell where your forced to play out your sins or suffer the suffering you have brought to others was hyped up.
And i wont lie in islam we believe on a day of judgement those who didnt believe will be judged, but at no point does it say they will be thrown aside sheerly on the fact they did not subscribe to islam, and if you look at "M's" outlook that even those not of islam still carried gods messege just in a different form of delivery , its save to interpret that all of man kind will go threw the same treatment and judgement before god/allah regardless of faith stature, just that Muslims will be judged on their merits as a muslim and obediance to allah's will, and others i would assume on their merits as human beings and their given path in life.
But at the end of the day each to there own. Once again ill state though, someone brought up the teaching of morals in school and that christian beliefs is a good way to do that? is it? is chistian morals the final word on morals? no to put it bluntly when you blur that line you truely tred a path of misinformation. Morals and good social interaction can be taught without the aid of any faith based diatripes being rammed down someones throat, weither that be christian, catholic , Islamic, Toaist, Doaist ect ect ect ect
End of another less that coherent and badly spelt rant ;D
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Post by Warrior124 on Mar 16, 2004 19:32:53 GMT -5
if christianity thinks that your morels and helping others is the most important thing in the world then considering thats the whole concept of wicca, why do christians bash the new age religions so much and say pagans are all going to hell cause though they did good things they didnt follow ole jesus and christian god Because it is our belief that there is only one God, and there is only one way to salvation. However, you were missing my entire point. I don't know what all the moral concepts of wicca are, and such. However, people don't have to chant or whatever when you are helping someone. Likewise you don't have to say a prayer when you are helping someone. These are religious practices What I was stating is to at least teach the moral principles. People can teach that we should feed the hungry, and all without bringing in the religious practice of it. For instance, the moralities part can be taught without teaching the religious part of it.
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Post by Alexander on Mar 16, 2004 20:22:03 GMT -5
yea we can do that, but that takes the whole point of the topic, should religion be taught in schools if we just use their values then we would live in a utopian society which aint gunna happen... lol
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 17, 2004 20:56:12 GMT -5
think it's time for locking....
will leave till i go home today then i will lock...
pm me any suggestions
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