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Post by overdose on Mar 21, 2004 21:47:50 GMT -5
you dont have to like them or agree with them, but at least find some well thought out reason to dislike them [/i][/color][/quote] I don't have to have a real reason, I just get sick of hearing about them and seeing them tie themselves to trees or whatever stupid stuff they do, it's stupid, they need lives.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 21, 2004 21:54:56 GMT -5
lol
i could go on forever defending them.
they laugh at ppl like you and i sitting online all the time. they think we should get lives [/i][/color]
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Post by overdose on Mar 21, 2004 21:57:20 GMT -5
couldn't give a flying f*ck what they think
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Post by эך|χэ on Mar 21, 2004 22:14:24 GMT -5
If carbon gases get trapped how come there are places such as Sth Dakota which has the lowest pollutions levels in the world & is in one of the worlds leading producers of fossil fuel gas omissions? Don't you think that if they were trapped or still around the closest places would suffer worst? my theory here contains as much credability as the argument that global warming exists.
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Post by Warrior124 on Mar 21, 2004 22:39:09 GMT -5
Not really, exile. It would depend on environmental circumstances, such as wind, and rain. Weather fronts can clear out alot of polution, as well. However, cities that don't see much storms, and winds are more vulnerable to the effects of polution.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 22, 2004 0:15:16 GMT -5
hmmm ok, i have held off cos i am not certain really whether i have a particular stance on any side of this debate.
i have read many reports which push global warming as sceptical and others which are not.
i believe the earth is warming. i believe that simply because i have read it. i have a positive view of science, positive enough to trust in it that for the greater part it is proven to be fact or at least highly probable.
however, ohio started this convo with me the other day, and i said i might surprise him with what i would say, i do also give some weight to the theory that the earth could be returning to it's previous temperature. i believe in cyclic theories, everything moves in waves and cycles. so in saying that, it could be probable that what ohio says is right. in centuries the earth may experience another iceage and the cycle goes on again....
i can believe in both theories without being contradictory.
i know a lotta greenies i associate with think along the same lines. they dont all protest loggings of forests for global warming reasons, although yes, it can come into it. a lot protest because of other environmental issues, habitats for wildlife, pollution which relates more to sickness in persons not in our ozone layer etc. sometimes the reasons are closer to home.
i've heard ppl say to me in complete horror, "but our future generations... wont be able to survive such a hot climate !". well yeah, they might not, but so goes the cycle of life and also evolution....we are already evolving and will continue, it's possible humans will evolve to handle whatever changes the earth goes through.
anyway...rambling now. i believe global warming is occurring, i dont believe reports that it's necessarily harmful to the earth as much as ppl report [/i][/color]
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Post by Alexander on Mar 22, 2004 3:45:03 GMT -5
i didnt say you were wrong. i said that it was an immature view of greenies or treehuggers to simplify something into such a basic view.
you dont have to like them or agree with them, but at least find some well thought out reason to dislike them
also, if you read what i said properly you would see i agree with you when you say trees can be grown again. [/i][/color][/quote] its called a steriotype and everyone does it so
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Post by Alexander on Mar 22, 2004 3:47:48 GMT -5
i believe theres something in the global warming, the icebergs wouldnt be melting otherwise cause they wernt before, what we need is another ice age
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Post by Duke Tosti on Mar 22, 2004 6:54:47 GMT -5
... first of all ... we also don't tell a great soccer fan to get a life just because he attends 2 matches or more a week, do we ... then why should someone who is interested in trees get a life, besides what these 'tree lovers' try to make clear is way more usefull then sitting behind ur computer day in day out, u all think like, rainforests, blah, far away, what should it matter, every day thousands of trees are cut down to reach that one 'hard wood' tree somewhere in a huge forest, thousands are burned down each day because a farmer want to feed his family and wanted to burn down a little piece of rain forest so that he could use it for agricultural purposes, the luttle piece becomes a gigantic area because he couldn't control the fire, and after a year or two the little layer of sand is not usefull anymore, leaving behind a huge area of land ... ready for erosion ... I can hear certain ppl think, it has nothing to do with global warming, well it has our earth is a big greenhouse ... carbon dioxide is a so called 'greenhouse gas' the emulsion of all our cars and manufacturing plants bring more of these gasses into the athobosphere ... making the greenhouse even warmer all those trees that nowone here seems to bother are capable of transforming this gasses into oxygen it is true we can't say for certain how many effect this increase in greenhouse gasses have on the temparature, but it is most likely it has at least some, and probably a lot more effect to the temparature on this earth our earth, the ecosystem and all it's connections are very complex, and changing things will have an effect, eventually take a look at ur computer, u try to get it's speed up, but forget to put make sure it is cooled well enough, it can take a year, but also a day, but ur computer will blow itself to pieces, u can't predict when it happens, but it will happen once ... I can give an example about not foreseen effects, a huge dam to make an artificial lake, it would provide all the farmers in the area with enough water, a wider area could profit from this, the dam was build and after a while the artificial lake filled ... but the water in it didn't float, and water that stands still is a breeding ground for musquitos, within 10 years the whole area surrounding the dam was empty, people fled for the many malaria infections, the wrong births and more side effects, now the dam lies there and nowone really cares what happens with it, what if it breaks, how many people would die, what if it remains lying there ... a huge lake, what are it's effects on global warming, are there any, what happens to the areas downstream the river ... there are so many things u can't predict in such a case and I heard some people mentioning the 'the kids from our kids need to have a decent place to live too' and blowing this statement into pieces with ignorant comments like, 'there are more problems u can see that need to be handled first', or, 'it is called evolution, they just need to adjust' how can u say that?! - a problem u can't see is most of the times way more dangerous, think about cancer in it's first stage - evolution is a process based on time, u can 'evolute' in two or three generations --> as the eagle was killed by the arrow winged with his own feather, so the hand of the world is wounded by its own skill <-- there aren't many ppl who where interested in geography on this forum are there?! after finishing my Business Studies Study I'm going to study something I'm really interested in ... geography is the lucky subject, it has always interested me for those who want to learn more start here www.epa.gov/globalwarming/kids/index.html ... ;D ... j/k hope u all think a bit better (and start reading more) about this subject before saying it's bs ... because it really isn't
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 22, 2004 7:44:51 GMT -5
oh duke ! ! you greenie you !
*gives duke a hug, the kind normally reserved for trees*
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Post by overdose on Mar 22, 2004 7:59:57 GMT -5
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Post by Alexander on Mar 22, 2004 16:55:46 GMT -5
her bark is worse then her bite, just like a tree
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 23, 2004 3:54:04 GMT -5
i'll leave this open for chuck... but it seems to have died somewhat
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Post by Alexander on Mar 24, 2004 8:03:27 GMT -5
exiles idea holds as much water as any other, you have no reason to bash him cause you cannot prove his theory wrong, the fact that were producing these emmissions does contribute to the climate being affected and returning to its origional state faster, but why didnt you think about this.... for billions of years every animal, creature etc on this earth has produced methane gas (farting especially) and creatures the size of the dinosaurs would have done it a LOT, also theres will-o-the whisps, gas in swamps that catches fire and burns to make errie lights, and methane does produce the ability to produce holes in the o-zone layer, dont be fooled by the standard idea, a long time ago everyone could gaurentee you the earth was flat, they could gaurentee you that witchcraft was real (and in each case they had their own "scientific proof and explinations for each") NOTHING in science is 100% proven, its an impossible thing, we may learn from different things but someday everything could change due to new evidence thats gathered, there is always an arguement for the opposite of everything and each as valid as what we believe to be true, you cant proove anything in this world any psychologist, scientist and professional in the field will agree with this, you can be pretty d**n sure its right, but u cant 100% say, that is how it works, theres nothing else too it, its like that and thats final, just doesnt happen... exiles idea has a LOT of evidence to back it up, just cause you got some pretty pictures and some opinions from scientists doesnt make it accurate, theres always that chance that we could be wrong... aint the first time and it wont be the last either
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Post by Alexander on Mar 24, 2004 8:04:33 GMT -5
did anyone actually look at that website.,.,. www.epa.gov/globalwarming/kids/gw.html"Earth has warmed by about 1ºF over the past 100 years. But why? And how? Well, scientists are not exactly sure. The Earth could be getting warmer on its own, but many of the world's leading climate scientists think that things people do are helping to make the Earth warmer." scientists ARE NOT SURE point proven,
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