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Post by Ohio on Mar 24, 2004 9:04:45 GMT -5
It is simple. Does the rain go up, or down? Does the heat from our sun mainly stay here on earth, or does most of it escape into space? Does most of the wind escape into space, or does it stay mostly on earth? While some of our weather patterns do escape into space, most of it stays here on earth due to the Earths rotation, and also its revolvement around the sun. Which also means that most of the carbon gases, and such we produce here on Earth does the same, as well, and it produces a barrier which traps more, and more heat from the suns rays here on earth. Thus the more polution we make the more gets trapped. So what your telling us is this "barrier" of pollution is one-way. It allows the suns radiation to pass through but then reflects it when it bounces off the surface of the earth keeping it from escaping back into space?
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Post by Dangermouse on Mar 24, 2004 12:13:34 GMT -5
yes..
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Post by Duke Tosti on Mar 25, 2004 4:46:42 GMT -5
it's called the greenhouse effect ... [/font]
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Post by Ohio on Mar 25, 2004 8:22:41 GMT -5
Then why does it not reflect it to begin with, why only after it passes through? Oh yeah, cause its a theory and not a fact.
Just like with the hole in the ozone layer. Common sense would tell you that when you displace a gas, it fills that void spreading itself thinner. So leftist scientist explain that the weather patterns and air currents keep that from happening. So how do we know that the air currents and weather patterns did not create the hole in the first place? We don't, all we have is theories with circumstantial evidence to prove either case.
There is a hole in the ozone layer(not really but the ppm is low enough to call it a hole)=Fact
The hole is caused by CO2 emissions=Theory The hole is caused by highpower microwave satellite communications with submarines=Theory
There are many different ways to explain an event that can't be proven, so don't confuse fact with theory.
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Post by Fravia on Mar 25, 2004 8:57:02 GMT -5
well said ohio
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Post by Warrior124 on Mar 25, 2004 9:01:45 GMT -5
Most of the suns radiation is sheilded from reaching the ground by the ozone layer. That is why there is more radiation where the ozone layer is the thinnest. You asked for facts. Here are facts. Ever tried filling a bubble with cigarette smoke? I've watched my dad do this several times before. He would blow a bubble, and fill it with smoke. Then, he would rotate the bubble by blowing on one end of it. The smoke would rotate with the bubble producing a spectacular sight. The only time when the bubble would burst was when it hit the ground, or my dad burst it, himself. The smoke in that bubble never bursted the bubble at all. It just traveled in basically the same direction the bubble was rotating.
Same way here on Earth. The rotation factor is what keeps our air from bursting what we reffer to as the ozone layer. It is what keeps our oxygen from escaping out into space, and what keeps most of the polution we fill the air with here on earth. Those are the facts.without the rotation of the earth then yes, our bubble would most likely burst.
Now, consider the sun. Its core temperature is hotter than on its surface. Why? Because of its rotation. The rotation stirs its gases therefore trapping it hottest temperatures just beneath those gases.
Back to earth. Heat here on earth is mainly caused by the suns rays hitting the surface of the earth. The suns rays are very hot, and were it not for the ozone layer this planet might be just like the other two planets closest to the sun. Now, because of our rotation it trapps the oxygen we breathe here on the earth. It also traps the polution we put into the atmosphere. The suns rays do travel through it, and yes it does escapes back into space. However, the more gases you have on the planet the more radiation stays here on the planet.
Some people ask, "Well wouldn't the gases kind of shield us from the effects of the suns rays"? The answer is no. Infact, there was a study here while back where a group of scientists aimed a high powered beam of light through some gases of air. The effect was that they found a beam of light that can travel at greater speeds than the speed of light. I forget how much faster, but that wasn't the only find. They also found that it produced a laser beam like effect as well, because it condensed the light being shined through it. Thus, more radiation from the light. Which in turn produced more heat.
The same thing is infact happening here, as well. The gases from car emissions, and such are producing a magnifying like effect on the planet which in turn means more heat, and more radiation from the suns rays. This in turn causes what we now know as the Green House Effect. Those are the facts.
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Post by Duke Tosti on Mar 25, 2004 9:11:01 GMT -5
yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climateuncertainties.html
all I'm saying is that u lot tend to do like there is nothing wrong because it 'can't be proven' ... if it is true, it's results can be devastating, throwing away a complete theory because it 'can't be proven' doesn't look right to me
however u will agree, that if the earth warms (for whatever reason) the water levels in oceans will rise (because the artic and antartic will decline in size, together with the glaciers) islands in these oceans or low level areas lying besides these oceans (Holland, New York?!, more) will flood ...
so let's say there is a 50% chance the theory is true (I think it's way higher but whatever) ... it's ur choice to delibarly overlook this chance and may indirect be the cause of thousands of people to suffer (or maybe even die)
I don't think it's that hard to try to save us this problems ... and even if the theory isn't true, an a bit more healthy earth is better for everyone living on it
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 26, 2004 5:10:00 GMT -5
been almost 24 hours since a post...will lock shortly.
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Post by Chuck on Mar 26, 2004 13:35:18 GMT -5
I think you are reading too many Exxon-mobile sponsored environmental reports. There is a famous saying... "ignorance is a bliss"
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