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Post by Mystical on Dec 15, 2003 8:32:40 GMT -5
it good that they finally cought him....
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Post by Brendan on Dec 15, 2003 8:47:35 GMT -5
Is it only me, but am I the only one that finds Dukes font one that strains the eyes like hell!?
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Post by Brendan on Dec 15, 2003 8:49:03 GMT -5
Is it only me, but am I the only one that finds Dukes font one that strains the eyes like hell!?
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Post by Mystical on Dec 15, 2003 8:49:07 GMT -5
No its not just you.... I deleted the font he is using cause i couldnt read what he posted
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Post by z00ey on Dec 15, 2003 11:31:47 GMT -5
It is not everyday the world becomes a safer place ..if you mean that the amount of little special forces who roam the land in iraq decreases now and the population and those soldiers are a lil safer now you are right for sure.
if you mean all the soldiers in iraq and the _main_ part of the population there i don t hink you are right.
bush and all friends of the war now have a nice propaganda snippet to give themselves the illusion of an aim that has been achieved and further on the illusion that they have changed a slightest bit: media junkfood propaganda for the zombie masses.
btw: making the world a 500% worse place and then make it 10% better afterwards is far away from that what i would call 'a safer place'.
ps: let me mention that it is good that he was found, the bad part is that he was caught by us military and will end in guantanamo or whereever (which lets me HIGHLY doubt that he will end in a UN court).. ..in the long run this will make the world a worse place again.
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Post by Cope on Dec 15, 2003 11:40:11 GMT -5
They have actually said he will be put on trial by the new Iraqi Tribunal(?) along side reps from other countries. If you are saying not every country will be involved then you are correct. Thats exactly how it should be. Ones who do the work get to decide what happens to him.
I guess some cant ever agree that the United States ever does anything right. We do something good and have to find ways to point out how we did it wrong. When being critical of other countries in the world....ask yourself. What has your country done for the world in the last 25 years?
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Post by overdose on Dec 15, 2003 11:42:47 GMT -5
Well z00ey, I agree on some of what you said. The thing that gets me is that they are worried about what will happen now that he is captured and has no control over the country, but this should have been in their minds all along, from the time that they started looking for him. But my guess is, from all of his power, they would have though he would have gone down fighting, but he didn't, he was surrounded by 600 soldiers in a hole small enough for 1 person only, so basically he was screwed and he couldn't fight back. They find it an even bigger bonus that not only he was found and he is the real Saddam, not one of his lookalikes, is that he was found alive. This means that they can have a chance to get answers out of him, and allow him to go to trial. This also means that people are 100% sure that it's him.
1 weird thing that surprised me was that only 2 other people were with him when he was hiding. When you have the whole US/Australian Army after you, I would have thought you'd need alot more then 2 people to protect you, but it seems like he didn't mind going down without a fight.
As I said before, it had to happen sooner or later, whether he was found dead or alive, but it is an extra benefit that he's still alive. He is getting old anyway so it is pretty vital that they found him soon enough. It was good work by the army and hopefully they can do the same with Osama Bin Ladin, and give them both the punishment they deserve.
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Post by Cin on Dec 15, 2003 11:43:15 GMT -5
The fact everyone seems to forget is that nobody has found any WOD...the whole reason for going to war? And it was hardly US intelligence that led to his capture, it was your money - someone who knew where he was knew about the reward and decided to speak. Anyway, if America doesnt like the verdict of the tribunal they can deal with him 'their' way
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Post by overdose on Dec 15, 2003 11:47:04 GMT -5
Anyway, if America doesnt like the verdict of the tribunal they can deal with him 'their' way If the court case is in Iraq, then Iraq will have control of him, not America unless Iraq gives them permission
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Post by Cin on Dec 15, 2003 11:48:43 GMT -5
Just like how they followed what the UN decided?
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Post by overdose on Dec 15, 2003 11:53:57 GMT -5
It all depends on where the court case is and how the legal system is there, but no AMerica can't just do what they want. The verdict will be decided in the country of where the case is if there is one
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Post by Cin on Dec 15, 2003 11:58:50 GMT -5
AMerica can't just do what they want. yes they can, and have.
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Post by overdose on Dec 15, 2003 12:00:39 GMT -5
Cin I won't argue but all I'll say is that it depends on the situation / ruling / and laws of that country
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Post by Cin on Dec 15, 2003 12:02:11 GMT -5
Well i apologise at sounding so .. general. Its just george Bush.
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Post by z00ey on Dec 15, 2003 12:10:03 GMT -5
"Iraqi Tribunal" a joke.. supported by about 10% of the population in iraq.. saddam had about 30%, lmao (just a sarcastic but sadly d**n true side inromation: one regime has been replaced by another regime that the population does NOT want).
"I guess some cant ever agree that the United States ever does anything right. We do something good and have to find ways to point out how we did it wrong. When being critical of other countries in the world....ask yourself. What has your country done for the world in the last 25 years?" the first and most important thing that comes into my mind is the Kyoto-Protocol which is the first step and a kind of revolution.. (a shame that the first thing bush did was denying it,, usa, about 5% max of the world population produces more than 33% of the world polltion, another sarcastic side note)..
..the second thing that comes into my mind is: traceling through the middle east since bush started his rubbish ,, trying to tell all the other countries and ppl there why it was necessary (ALLTHOUGH no one here thought it was necessary, nor LEGAL).
..the third thing that comes into my mind: care for all the ppl who live in worst conditions now, worse than ever (destryoing is easier).. AND paying for rosygarden bush does that no one here supported.. ..but maybe bush (i always say bush, pls notice that.. ..you are saying "what the usa does" ..i would call it "what bush does (and the ppl who support him)" which is a difference.
now when i think of what bush (in this case i mean reagan,bush sr,bush jr) did in the last 25 yearsbr] -supporting saddam like hell (like HELL !).. ..they gave him power, money, weapons... etc.. as long as they shared an aim he was a fine and good friend (main aim has been war against iran.. ..but even after that they supported him: reason was he wasn t a religious man (another sarcastic side not that part of the "war propaganda before the last war has been that he should have been part of the extreme religious and fanatic al quaida, lol). -supporting the taliban regime in afghanistan for a looooong time (first shared aim: against the ussr,, second aim (after ussr went off afghanistan): buisiness, oil, oil , oil (bush jr and shaney himself were involved in a lot of biz with taliban as managers of oil industry, read up -the most important (and absolute worst thing) bush made possible: a preventive war is now possible (and hard to explain russia why they should stop war against tschetschenien, just one example) (bush threatened syria allready... ) (etc etc etc... he made the world a nicer place, back to the beginning of the 20 century, thanks,, ,,the most powerful man , actually back to stone age) !!
..i better stop now because this post could get the wrong touch, lol (i am not anti usa, i am strongly anti bush and i know for sure that a lot of ppl over there are too)
"Ones who do the work get to decide what happens to him." i just can t resist: stop yelling for financal support, support within the iraq , support in a lot of other countries to make them stay pieceful, support in human care, support.... blah blah... Ones who makes the rosygarden should solve it. (this was directed at bush and friends ones more)
ps: "We do something good.." ,,the (by far) main part of the world (population and countires itself) did NOT think that it was good - and NO one asked for it.
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