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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 0:55:15 GMT -5
excuse me, i said nothing of the sort saying they should get compensation, if you read my post... the health services have enough to deal with and spend their money on... like people who need medical care through no fault of their own, its cause of all the smokers, heavy drinkers and obese people that the health services are at the point of crumbling under their own weight, if we actually bothered to look after ourselves instead of watching out asses grow, then the world would be a better place. ban ciggies, drugs, alcohol, caffine and fast food or bring in a law saying that if the problem you get was caused through your own fault from over drinking, smoking etc then be put at the bottom of the waiting list, and people can get help for it theres therapy clinics and theres a thing called willpower dont expect no sympathy this looks to me like i said, no sympathy, be put at the bottom of the healthcare waiting list and have the things banned, not get compensation... also does this in my other post look like im suggesting its good for them... alcohol = liver damage ciggies = cancer and also repeating the above... the health services have enough to deal with and spend their money on... like people who need medical care through no fault of their own, its cause of all the smokers, heavy drinkers and obese people that the health services are at the point of crumbling under their own weight, if we actually bothered to look after ourselves instead of watching out asses grow, then the world would be a better place. do you think that people who harm themselves do it because they think its good for them? because they dont, mostly they do it to try to kill themselves, which is what smokers do when they continue to smoke something well known for giving people cancer get ya facts straight
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 0:57:04 GMT -5
flower off, my sister smokes, and if you think shes trying to kill herself, you better watch what you say...
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 1:00:09 GMT -5
im simply saying that people who smoke ignore the major health risks with it, its a well known fact that smoking can give you asthma, bronchitis, cancer, lung damage, heart disease, heart attacks, and even possible linked cases of strokes and brain damage, yet people who smoke dont give up, even with all the health risks which they know about, its like playing catch with a grenade
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 1:05:29 GMT -5
beep, wrong
you always say things and refer as 'all'
ive smoked before, im not flowering trying to kill myself, and i know about the cancer crap, so do you wanna rethink all of your points?
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 1:17:25 GMT -5
i never said you were trying to commit suicide, at no point have i put that, i said its a form of self harming and ive got a lot of simularities to back my point up Simularities.... you cut your wrists on purpose you smoke on purpose you know cutting your wrists will in time harm you you know smoking in time will harm you millions die from suicide each year millions die from smoking each year people cut their wrists to get rid of lifes problems or get rid of stress / depression people smoke to get rid of lifes problems or get rid of stress / depression (counts for drinking too) in both you ignore all the risks which you know can happen in both you generally die early in both situations in both you generally suffer a painful death ------------------------------------------------------------------ if the definition of self harm, is inflicting damage purposly on yourself with complete disregard for the concequences, the known effects and the the known result that accompanies what you are about to do, and putting your own life at risk through carrying out a task which will cause physical harm to yourself... smoking comes into that, you are purposly picking up that cigerette, you know the side effects, the end result of a shorter life, also you know that by smoking it you are causing physical harm to your lungs, your arteries etc, and you totally disregard every warning on the face of the planet which has proof that you are slowly killing yourself by each cigerette taking off that extra few seconds / minutes
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 1:23:03 GMT -5
yes alex, you're proving more and more each time that people know that slitting their wrists will kill them, and that smoking will shorten their lives... i still dont see how that's the fault of smoke companies when people know perfectly well what theyre doing
the only thing i see you saying is that smoking kills, well durr, but you're also saying 'take away the choice for people to smoke' when it is their choice, not yours
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 1:28:25 GMT -5
no im just backing up my point that smoking is a form of self harming, if cigerettes were banned, there would be millions apon millions of less deaths a year, more hospital beds avaliable and we would be a healthier world, i think people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesnt harm themselves or others...
smoking does BOTH, other people breath in their nasty smoke and suffer asthma attacks and it also shortens peoples lives who breaths the smoke in (passive smoking shown to do this) it also slowly kills the person smoking it, so whats the difference between that and drugs...
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 1:30:55 GMT -5
its also my legal right to not to have to breath in their smoke and it give me an asthma attack which lands me in hospital on a ventalator (which has happened on occasions) smokers are putting asthma suffers lives at risk, if someone dies from another smokers smoke giving them an asthma attack, you could class that as manslaughter , ciggies should be banned from every public place or banned alltogether
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 1:32:50 GMT -5
just like its their legal right to smoke.. i'm still not seeing a point from you
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 25, 2004 1:32:50 GMT -5
armchair psychology
ho hum [/i][/color]
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 1:37:04 GMT -5
OD from the first post my point has been that if you smoke your allowing yourself and others around you to be harmed, cigerettes should be banned, their a major health risk.
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 1:42:09 GMT -5
To you maybe. To me, its peoples choice what they spend their money on and how they do it.
Smoke packets here atleast have stuff like 'smoking kills, smoking causes cancer' etc. on them, so dont go telling me people are in the blue about smoking, because i know for a fact people know what theyre d**n well doing, and im happy for them, if it keeps them happy or w/e reason, then it's not harming me. If someone is smoking near you, simply tell them to go elsewhere or move away, its not hard.
im done with this topic
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Post by Warrior124 on Mar 25, 2004 1:43:53 GMT -5
I am all for choices, and such. That is what our freedom is all about. However, there are some choices that should never be made. Especially when it comes to a choice that can shorten your life expectancy, and even more especially if you have kids. See, the choices you make don't only affect the person who makes those choices, but it also affects their chidlren as well. My father died of lung cancer when I was 18 years old. Here is how it affected me. I had to quit school, and start working full time to be able to support my mother, and my brother. The only real income that came in before I started working full time was my mothers social security check. So, that put my life on hold, and to this day it is still affecting my life. Because we had very little income coming in the bills were becoming bigger, and bigger which in turn ruined my credit history, as well. To this day we are barely making it. I am having to take care of my mother right now, because she has many illnesses, and I am right now 31 years old. My brother has a heart murmer which renders him incapable of handling a steady job. So, count the many years it has affected my life, and my families just from the choice of continuing to smoke. My father tried hard to quit, but the habit was just too much for him to break. Today, there are treatments for it, now. I wish they had it back then. The same goes for making the choice to drink, as well, or anykind of choice you make. Whenever someone makes anykind of choice, no matter what it may be, everyone needs to also think of the consequences of that choice. How will it affect my life, and how will it affect my families life, and such? Today, many people are making choices that they later regret, because they never stopped to take the time to ask themselves these questions. They just jump into it. Makes you kind of wonder how we all are still here on this planet.
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Post by Webagent on Mar 25, 2004 1:47:18 GMT -5
i disagree, i really cant stand those people who smoke then at 60/70 want money because theyre really ill because of something they took responsibility for. on a side note, these people started law suits because the sigarette companies added chemicals to make them more addicted, I dont think its fair if they dont tell you this.
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 1:53:31 GMT -5
To you maybe. To me, its peoples choice what they spend their money on and how they do it. Smoke packets here atleast have stuff like 'smoking kills, smoking causes cancer' etc. on them, so dont go telling me people are in the blue about smoking, because i know for a fact people know what theyre d**n well doing, and im happy for them, if it keeps them happy or w/e reason, then it's not harming me. If someone is smoking near you, simply tell them to go elsewhere or move away, its not hard. im done with this topic you dont think their a health risk? i NEVER said people were in the blue about it, please read what i say, ive said on at least 3 occasions that people do it willingly YOU try telling a smoker to move away, they dont do it, in fact last time in a train someone was smoking i had to call the friggin train guard to force him to put it out cause the selfish guy said it was his right to keep it lit, stuff anyone else in the process, if a kid gets an asthma attack, so what not his problem how come im having to requote everything i say over and over, i thought i worded it fine
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