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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 1:59:28 GMT -5
you wanna know why alex? you need to get it through your head that people have rights both ways, and you always seem to think you're right please dont discuss it with me anymore, im truly getting p*ssed off *webby* you think if things like froot loops had on their packets "Now with even more sugar!" parents are going to buy it for their kids? It's called marketing
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 2:04:11 GMT -5
OD well people have the right to make a living, you want to let drug dealers sell cocaine to children? because its their right?
society has to draw the line between peoples rights and peoples safety, if you had asthmatic kids (one in 3 children are asthmatic according to health surveys) wouldnt you want them to grow up in a place where their not going to have to be careful where they walk in case they breath in smoke and land up in hospital and perhaps die?
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 2:09:03 GMT -5
OD well people have the right to make a living, you want to let drug dealers sell cocaine to children? because its their right? did i ever say children? no i dont believe i did, obviously you draw the line, giving kids smokes is either the fault of the shopkeeper or whoever gave the smokes to the kid, not the bloody smoke companies. its just like people who grow marijuana. what, you're gonna blame planet earth for allowing people to grow it? and ffs, the kid example is a pile of crap, my sister smokes and has a 3 year old, so what does she do? goes outside and smokes. she has brains to realise that, again, you're blaming to smoke companies. say you go to a supermarket, buy some draino and a kid swallows it at home, what, you gonna sew the draino company? i dont think so
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 2:12:35 GMT -5
i didnt say about selling ciggies to kids, im saying that children are dying each year because of adults smoking and the smoke they exhale being breathed in by children with weak lungs, asthma or other conditions, basically adults are killing children with their smoke if smokers want equal rights, fine , if a child dies from the direct result of breathing in their exhaled smoke, may they be convicted for manslaughter
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 2:15:06 GMT -5
why should all be taken away a right for each individual case?
obviously not all smokers have kids, not all smokers smoke around others
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 2:16:43 GMT -5
her child will already be affected if she smoked before birth OD, if she smoked during pregnancy the smoke inhaled would go to the babies lungs as well and start attacking the childs partially developed lungs, even if she didnt smoke during pregnancy and she smoked before she became pregnant, the fatty substance that cigerettes build up in the arteries will have made blood flow to the baby harder which means her child could have partially had minor oxygen starvation or the fatty stuff build up in its arteries, if the parent smokes a child has over 50% more chance of getting some kind of related condition in their life then a non smoking family, so its possible the damage may have already been done, or the kid could be one of the lucky few of course
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 2:17:43 GMT -5
the ones who smoke around others are the only ones i complain about, hence why i said they should be banned from public places, if you smoke in your own home or your garden, its no business of anyone elses, its when u smoke around others i disagree
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 25, 2004 2:28:16 GMT -5
wrap yourselves and the world up in cotton wool !
may as well kill yourselves now cos you seem scared of everything.
dont drive you might kill yourself, dont use matches you might burn yourself, dont eat foods they might cause cancer, dont drink, dont take drugs, dont listen to music, dont watch tv, dont read.....
dont live
die
ffs. i smoke, i know it causes cancer, i dont care right now at this stage of my life. yeah i might be cRaZY, no crazier than the majority of you tho for whatever reasons.
if i didnt smoke, i still wouldnt want it banned.
why ? cos you start banning one thing...and eventually every do gooder who gets riled up about something else will want something else banned too.
and all you ppl who sit there being all high and mighty about smoking - just might find something that you love or like or whatever taken away from you
DOWN WITH CENSORSHIP ! ! FREEDOM OF CHOICE, SPEECH AND ADVERTISING FOR ALL ! ! ! [/I][/COLOR]
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Post by Dangermouse on Mar 25, 2004 2:38:50 GMT -5
Not wanting to inhale others smoke is not wrapping yourself up in cotten wool ffs, its highly unpleasent and just down right rude. You cant just tell them to 'put it out' or 'smoke somewhere else'....on the way to college br] my mum smokes in the car they smoke at the platform they smoke the minute we get off the train all the way to college (big group of people) They smoke outside most exits of building around college, from outside my block , the union, entrance to the food hall on the way home they all smoke on the platform And most of my mates smoke, so not so easy to get away from is it.. And that 'not living' rubbish. I would understand about smoking if you actually got any GOOD out of it, but you dont, NONE whatsoever. My dad has never smoked, rarely drinks, watches what he eats, reguly excercises and people have most people mistake him for 38-40, hes 47 in december...hes led an active social life, hes had girlfriends, kids, been married twice, dont tell me you need to fking smoke and drink yourself to kidney failure to have a good time.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 25, 2004 2:50:13 GMT -5
i wasnt referring to smoking with that comment mousey - that was a general comment
but yeah as far as smoking goes. it's a legal product and legal products should have every right to advertise whether it's harmful or not.
just like any other product and just like alcohol which is what this debate really is about
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Post by Dangermouse on Mar 25, 2004 2:55:16 GMT -5
Its only legal because the government makes so much god d**n money out of it. Which is a sad, sad state of affairs. Suicide is illegal but you're allowed to do it slowly through smoking and drinking?
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Post by Alexander on Mar 25, 2004 3:25:23 GMT -5
thanks for putting the point across DM pashy people have enough wrong with their lives as it is without lung problems to go along with it, unless you want to be one of those people permanantly on an oxygen mask not being able to walk up stairs else it will kill you and only being able to move very slowly, basically like a vegetable / zombie
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 25, 2004 3:46:14 GMT -5
i know your points guys....i know you have medical facts to back them up and yes smoking is dangerous i wont EVER dispute it.
but it's choice. MY choice to smoke/drink/take drugs/have s** whatever.... YOUR choice to do whatever floats your boats.
like i said before and getting back to the topic of the REAL discussion - CENSORSHIP IS rubbish ! ! !
it's just one thing after another.
I DONT WANT MY FREEDOM OF CHOICE/s**UALITY/RELIGION/SPEECH TAKEN AWAY no matter what the circumstances are.
and not only that....i dont want YOURS taken away ! [/b][/i]
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Post by overdose on Mar 25, 2004 4:17:32 GMT -5
thanks for putting the point across DM what point? we all believe in what we want to believe, get over it and andrew, i manage to get away from smoking all the time, maybe its the different countries but i dont see how its that hard to avoid it no, as a matter of fact, people who have common sense know not to, and she didn't, my dad smoked, and i couldnt really give a rats a*s if he died because i hate him, but anyway, people have their own ways of having fun, some like to go to clubs, some smoke, some drink so what? if the option is there, and it's legal then by all means eat your heart out this debate will get rediculous when you end up pulling sh*t out of your a** such as ban coffee because caffiene is bad for you, ban chocoltae because it makes you fat. who freaking cares?
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Post by Dangermouse on Mar 25, 2004 4:24:37 GMT -5
I did have a point actually Rob, try reading it again.
For the people who inhale it: Its unpleasent, can have health implications and its rude For the people who smoke it: It gives you cancer and costs you way too much money.
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