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Post by Loon on Sept 24, 2003 5:24:54 GMT -5
Congratulations, you win the prize for stupid comment of the day
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Post by Duke Tosti on Sept 24, 2003 5:45:37 GMT -5
rofl ;D to me it seems as a fact that msn IS stupid ... if u ever look at other popuplar sites that became pay sites, they all die ... if msn plus would cost money, everyone will start to use dmsn, if msn chat will cost money, everyone will be looking for another (irc based) server if msn just would listen to chat room owners and scripters more often, the problem would be smaller, if msn would HELP people running a smooth chatroom instead of working against it ... the what if question always keeps running threw my head ... what if msn would have provided it's own client to msn users, with build in options like, not displaying pornographic links given in whisper (in irc it would just be like an on text:?: { if (blabla isin $1-) { halt } or whatever) it's not difficult, and it's a lot of protection besides it, the option for parents to set filters on certain words, so that if someone starts talking like 'i'm horny, please suck my thingy', this person is added to the ignore list, etc etc, i can come up with tons of more ideas. there are so many things that could protect children from this sort of crap, and if msn closes down, the same children will face the same situations, only in other chat rooms, what msn tries to do is getting rid of anything that could harm them, but isn't solving anything, so it only helps bill gates to sleep better and in an even bigger bed because he starts earning even more money ... looks kinda hypocrite to me ... ;D and msn never seems to listen, for example, I am owner of a dutch chatroom (in peers), I used to go to teens quiet often in the early days, I know most of the other owners in the bigger chatrooms, I know who are passport flooding other rooms, but if we telle it to msn, they won't listen, we will have a look later, yeah right, later is half an hour later and the person (I d**n well knew) is flooding in another room allready because we ourselves traced and banned his ip ... and 2 hours later I might get a ban because there is an ip in our access list ... WHAAAAAAAARGH what would be wrong with msn publishing a good protection against passport flooders, or publishing a client or script that can protect children from certain things, of course it would never be waterproof, but it is a beginning, trying to do something about problems is better than only concluding that there are problems ... but instead of that, msn chat closes down ... very brave, but don't let us think it is to protect children, just admit u want to make more money because I'm quiet sure that sending all the children to another chat service isn't very helpfull to get rid of paedophiles and protect children against other things, because they will just follow ... and in that case msn chat stays behind with nothing ... no users, no people enjoying themselfes while making and meeting new friends, no more fun (which most of us have on their network), no more people trying to improve the situation in their chatboxes, no more little problems that need to be solved ... nothing ... even msn staff will miss all this
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Post by FiRe on Sept 24, 2003 6:32:03 GMT -5
I am going to copy what you just said duke and put it in a text file and send it to MSN. I reckon that will have some kind of impact on the current situation
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Post by Master on Sept 24, 2003 11:31:35 GMT -5
very much agree with comments made in this thread, we can sort our rooms out why cant they everyone post this link in their rooms, so far today 5.20pm 23/09/03 there are now over 12000 peeps on this petition..... MSN CHAT CLOSURE THREAT, GO TO THIS SITE AND MAKE YOUR FEELINGS KNOWN CLICK ON LINK AND TELL THEM www.petitiononline.com/msnchat/petition-sign.html
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Post by (-(a)mm(o)-) on Sept 24, 2003 12:46:18 GMT -5
how did they create there chat servers maybe we could set up a similar thing like irc but wid pics any ideas?
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Post by FiRe on Sept 24, 2003 14:56:37 GMT -5
Would need to know exactly how it works and get members of the forum to put their heads together and work it out!! I am sure some people have the basic idea, but it will be difficult to code. Then we will need log in's to anyone who pays to use the service because we will have to transfer it onto a site and it will cost a great deal!! FiRe
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Post by Cope on Sept 24, 2003 15:24:24 GMT -5
Could you create something that works like MSN? yes. Do any of us have the financial backing to do so? Most likely no. The amount of traffic MSN has/had isnt something some guy could run from home. The .net passport sign in wasnt something they coded in one day. I dont think there is any point in trying to re-create MSN. Move along to a new chat service. Stop using them at all. But I dont think making MSN is something anyone on here can grasp.
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Post by Chuck on Sept 24, 2003 15:52:30 GMT -5
Seriously, who agrees with me that this will not get rid of the abusers they are talking about?
PS: it's not about 'Another user" so please no comments on her. MSN does make a strong case.
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Post by Freak on Sept 24, 2003 18:38:49 GMT -5
Heres another idea that they must have taken into consideration. users on msn have better resources because of numbers than msn themselves do. everytime msn tries to control what users do someone get arround it. scripts flooders pass cr*cking. some of the things msn has to do to get rid of this for good would cost them too much money. msn is doing the one and only thing they can possibly do to kill scripting. get rid of their users we have been loyal to msn and they have said they don't want us. moving on to another network
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Post by ۰Çǿǿł% on Sept 24, 2003 21:06:43 GMT -5
msn having another brain storm,,this time completely motivated by greed all, so it will be hard to convince them otherwise. and yes the pedophiles will just become more sneaky and more behind the scenes, there are government task forces that monitor chat rooms for pedophiles and such,msn is so full of it. and my afterthought,,msn can't maintain security on their own system,, do we really want to trust them with our credit card info
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Post by piepz on Sept 25, 2003 2:11:05 GMT -5
Hmmmz... next possible Ms steps: Paying for using Hotmail account - Cuz there's also "a little" spam problem goin on (I would advise Ms to charge $19,95 a year... nice figure) Paying for downloading Ms Messenger - Ms must be insain to develop and provide free software (again I would advise Ms to charge $19,95) Pay the man... go chat in his modernated rooms and behave u guys
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Post by Cope on Sept 25, 2003 3:45:58 GMT -5
I dont think its totally motivated by greed. I think it was a wise decision. Why waste money on servers/bandwidth/employees to support something only to have their service abused in every manner. They choose to make people pay for it to keep only those who really want to chat(not just make 40 passports and raise hell) will stay on MSN. Instead of coming to quick conclusions that MSN is greedy think about it a while. Would you provide a service to people who kept abusing it on a daily basis? Not only are they doing this to shut up parents who dont take care of their children. Most of the people who are fathers/mothers of the abused children they use to promote their cause. Happens with everything. They use the ones who were actually effected by it to start some compaign against those who really didnt have two rosygardens to do with it in the first place. If parents spent a little more time talking to their kids and educating them, not sitting them infront of a computer and let them do as they please, this sort of thing might not happen. I havent used MSN chat for almost 6 months now. Dont really care to use online chat anymore. Its a phase most of you will grow out of. Some wont...some will be on IRC servers forever, but go take a walk once in a while. I could write a book about this. It would involve a lot more than just the topic at hand(MSN chat).... Anywho. I wish I had the time to reply to everyones posts. For those who are really effected by this I hope you take some things from it. What you might ask? Not that easy. Use your brain. Think about it for a while. Note: For the young ones who are all over the board, meaning most of the users are under the age of 16. I dont expect you to understand it all. One day you will. Another Note: Please do not give me the "age doesnt mean anything" story. Doesnt always, but as far as business choices a company like MSN makes. Dont insult it. Im sure they know more than we all do. Last Note: No I dont think Im enlightened in any special way, but I have my views and its 330am bored as hell.
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Post by Duke Tosti on Sept 25, 2003 4:34:24 GMT -5
if they can ban a trouble maker for 48 hours, they can also ban him or her for 48 days bye trouble maker ur right it's their service, and there are some ppl abusing it, but most don't ...
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Post by Ender on Sept 25, 2003 9:48:51 GMT -5
I just love the people who think that MSN is doing this out of some greedy prospective and all profit goes to Bill Gates' personal wallet. MSN Chat has been pay-to-use before in the past (wow..don't remember that do you guys? ) and it has been free for a number of years as well. I have to say that people have been abusing their free service for quite a while. Dozens of splitbots on rooms, Thousands of Porn/Advertisement users running amuck on the room, several different pedophiles running around .... do you want all that negative publicity on your company? MSN Chat is known as pedo/porn heaven for many in non-us areas because of how there have been pedophiles openly admitting "Yes, I met this girl (boy) on MSN Chat." News reporters report it...more negative publicity for MSN Chat. I don't think many people are grasping the big picture. Now here's a kicker .... just think about this for one minute :
If there are abusive users (either spammers or otherwise) ...instead of having to worry just about banning IP (which many have proxies or wingates to reconnect anyways) on the new system.....they can ban the person's credit card number and personal address and suspend the account with no refunds
Holy **** carmichael! It makes sense! Or it should anyways, unless you're completely dense and don't understand how this is actually a better setup than what we have now. Passport flooders? I don't think people want to pay the $20.00 a month for their 2000+ passport flooders ($40,000+ ..sure..you can have your passport flooder buddy ). Granted, passport flooders aren't the only bad thing that happens on MSN Chat..just a good example how abusive users will be stopped now. There's simply no way that people can afford to be some foolish "skript kiddie" with this new system implemented. Some will say, "What about forged credit cards?" ...well... not many credit card " cr*ck appz" (lol , couldn't resist) have the ability to get all information required for the use of a credit card on bigger services.
It's just simply closed-minded and childish to think that it's all played out by some greedy, diabolical mastermind (Bill Gates) and this is going to be the end of the internet. There are reasons to everything, but most can't be exposed as there's too much controversy as is about this situation. Petitions aren't going to help your cause. PetitionsOnline.com have already deleted 7 Anti-MSN petitions ...and are just waiting for the word to delete the most popular one (with 11,000+ signatures) as it's a hopeless cause.
In the end : People wanted a solution - this is it.
You try doing the job of a Guide/Sysop/Admin and see how many people you'll ban. A ban for 45 days is unacceptable as it fills up the global access list... pffth. Unlike rooms, server access lists aren't as nice and clean on such a large network like MSN. ...
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Post by Mystical on Sept 25, 2003 10:27:28 GMT -5
hafto agree with you there david...
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