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Post by Loon on Sept 25, 2003 10:53:21 GMT -5
People don't send mass spam/virusis from hotmail accounts, they need a server to be able to run a script from.
Removing free mail accounts wouldn't make the slightest difference to the amount of those mails that get delivered.
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Post by «¤§£¥¤» on Sept 25, 2003 11:02:04 GMT -5
Well said, David. I believe MSN has been left with no choice. After months of people screaming about porn bots and passport flooders and room takes, ect ect ect, they have acted. I dont like the action BUT I understand what they are doing. So many scripters (not you all, that I know of anyways) have created and released to the public tools that should never have been released. Abuse of the service has been going on for so long its become a game to those involved. Then you throw in the parents groups and media and the pressure they can levy, well that alone is enough to cause ANY company , ANYWHERE in the world to step back and make some change. I dont like they dropped service for our European friends or in ANY of the countries they did, I think all should be able to pay for the service if they choose, and hopefully that will be changed soon. I signed the petition with the hope that this would save the chat service and hoped that MSN would come together with chatters and look at some good suggestions that I have seen floating through the different forums. Maybe that is what those petitions should of had in them, alternative suggestions. But like a few others I see the petitions as a feeble cause but signed in support of the principle, keeping the chat service intact, but with some needed changes...
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Post by ۰Çǿǿł% on Sept 25, 2003 12:45:57 GMT -5
MSN is a corporation, corporations rely on profits to survive!! After recent worm attacks and their security vulnerabilities made so public, they had to do some public image repair and do it fast. Bad reputation means bad profits. Personally i don't have a problem with paying,, just please tell the truth!!! A software corporation has no business trying to police the youth, that is the parents job.
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Post by Ender on Sept 25, 2003 13:46:43 GMT -5
Lets start with the first square of things: Microsoft isn't MSN and MSN isn't Microsoft. MSN is run by completely different people and only cameos from William Gates III (Bill Gates as most know him as ;p) are brought upon as he is one of the people who decided to branch out and make an ISP (wait a minute..but..). Right, Microsoft decided to create a whole new subdisary company with their own staff. The only difference is thati t was originally funded by Microsoft. They're not the same people so the whole thought of MSN being a software company is now blown out of the water unless you count MSN Explorer (all known versions) and the MSN Chat control (plus some other controls used for Group/Community management); but not on a widescale as many would think due to Microsoft giving the original foundation to the company. Yes, I'm aware that Microsoft still pats MSN on the head and give it awards, prizes, or even "fatherly" advice...but they're still technically "sister" companies.
As for MSN shouldn't be trying to police the youth: that's quite unsensible. MSN does have a company to run and the negative publicity has forced MSN to use the onslaught of pedophila as one of the reasons as to the most recent changes. Regional MSN usually isn't just MSN. Usually there's an ISP that is given support from MSN thus they tag some tacky <blahblah>MSN (see: NineMSN or XtraMSN -- ect). So think about it..maybe it was their choice to actually say no to keeping their chat services up and not "corporate MSN". If you were partnered up with a company that's known as a pedo/porn haven all around the globe...would you want it that way? Just think about it for just one moment before you question as to why MSN is doing what they're doing. Literally, they were left with no choice. Either continue having to be known as a pedophilic/pornographic website (or chat server) or just close shop and work on other projects..what would you do? Don't give me that crap about being some massively strict force of Sysop/Guides and policing everything ... the network is simply just too big for that and people find ways around klines (er..not klines but server-based access bans-- you know what I mean). Many porn bots have wingates/proxies or different computers/ips to actually connect to the network with...so a simple ip ban isn't going to stop them .And we all know how many passports they have ... lol. I'm curious to hear what you'd do in this case instead of closing down the areas that have become intolerant to the issues of MSN Chat (partners that have teamed up with MSN around the globe to give users a feel of MSN through ISP).
Again about parents having to police their children : they should. But obviously they do not. There have been some children that I know (15-16) that have become obsessed with people online and actually go and have s**ual encounters with them (keep in mind that the person they're so "in love" with is 20+ years older than they are). I'm not trying to say that all parents aren't taking care of their children. But it has gone to the point that it's obvious that some parents aren't even paying attention to their children's internet hobbies (see MSN Chat : Teens category and tell me how many "Young Girls for Older Men" rooms you find -- or any rooms with content for ....uh.."s**ual" situations). So there's how well parents are "policing" their childrens' behavior on MSN Chat (or internet). Again, I'm not blasting all parents...but just face it, if the Teens category is that bad.. well, it just goes to show that there are some parents that simply don't care what their children are doing.
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Post by Chuck on Sept 25, 2003 16:17:59 GMT -5
Do you think by making msn chat subscriber only would fix this problem? Community chats would be free and, as far as I know, people (subscribers) in some markets would still be able to create rooms.
There are other durable ways than banning a subscribtion.
Exactly, you see them now and probably you will see them after the update albeit they can pay for the subscribtion.
I don't trust Microsoft with my credit card info.
Credit card forgery is more common than you think. And usually it's done by the bad people.
In conclusion, whatever the motives or/and how good or bad is the idea... it is msn's business. MSN can do whatever they prefer. Complaining, signature would hardly change their mind. If you want to stay on msn, you can pay. Or you can find another alternative.
there are good servers on the net. QuakeNet is one. Ircq is not bad either.
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Post by Tewl on Sept 25, 2003 16:56:40 GMT -5
“This is a decision based upon consumer experiences, child protection and our strategic investment to build up MSN Messenger,” Sutton said. Quote from: www.msnbc.com/news/970970.asp
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Post by Dangermouse on Sept 25, 2003 17:21:54 GMT -5
Why wouldnt you trust them?
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Post by mo0 on Sept 25, 2003 22:13:40 GMT -5
Msn could have quite easily stoped spammers, pornbots and most of the script kiddies. All they needed to do was to update the OCX so urls cant be shown they could have also disabled urs in profiles, and msn generated nicknames. As for the problem of script kiddies using flooders, cant they limit the number of connections that a user has to a room?? Im shure if msn did the above they would have eliminated alot of problems. But then theres the pedofiles *doesnt have many solutions to solve this problem* apart for the fact that users need to take a little personal responsibility. At the end of the day tho its msns servers and msns money. And no moaning or such petitions on our part are goin to change anything
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Post by Chuck on Sept 26, 2003 1:15:36 GMT -5
Why wouldnt you trust them? read the article: www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110688,00.asp 1. I'm not too sure how secure is their system. Sure no system is 100% secure, but other top companies (e.g. yahoo and amazon) have not been on FTC's list like MSN. 2. I'm not sure if MSN would keep my info just to themselves. Companies make big bucks by selling personal info to marketing firms. Yahoo was also accused of sharing info with their partners. It's pretty common, so why would I trust MSN with it?
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Post by Chuck on Sept 26, 2003 1:18:11 GMT -5
“This is a decision based upon consumer experiences, child protection and our strategic investment to build up MSN Messenger,” Sutton said. Thats a typical answer I would expect from a company.
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Post by Stormster on Sept 26, 2003 4:04:39 GMT -5
Microsoft knows what they have done, they know they will loose billions of users on the Chat Service, They did this for a reson and that reson is the reson they have done it. -- I think the problem of making a chatroom a subscribe only service will help a lot of problems, such as the kiddys on the service, they are being forced to pay so they cant get there way to use the toys that they have and they will all just leave the server and move on to join another server. As for the pornbots, yes this will STOP them. -- I mean really you think all thos people that are controlling "the bots" will pay for all of the passports to spam the server again? NO, they will just move along aswell them selves to another popular server to SPAM the c*** they are spamming. Pedophiles is a complete different situation they are trying to deal with or say. -- They are trying to stop something that is almost "IMPOSSIBLE" to be able to stop, they will just pay like anyone else will (DUH..). Thos of you that really love the chat server that much will pay for it, gathering up in a huge group or emailing them isnt really going to solve anything because they are just going to ignore your comments. -- Basically, Microsoft is telling us this "Pay or get off our server" (This is why they made it so you can view the chat rooms but not be able to chat in them, so you can pay for the full feature to chat ...pfft, teasers!) I myself will be leaving the MSN Network and joining something new to continue with, I love chatting on MSN and who really doesnt. -- But I am not going to be forced to pay via credit card just to chat in some silly chat room typing away while my money comes out of my pocket. Well, I could go on and say so much more in so many different ways but I dont really feel like typing them out or expressing my true feeling about all of this so ..BLAH! Take care everyone, Hope everyone will be happy again. Stormy
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Post by Analyzer on Sept 26, 2003 14:47:43 GMT -5
if pedo's have to pay then msn will have their credit info.. when someone goes to complain about them they kan take better actions.
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Post by Cypher on Sept 26, 2003 15:27:52 GMT -5
as loon said a peadophiliac wont use there details when registering. they wont want to do anything that can be linked back to them easily.
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Post by (-(a)mm(o)-) on Sept 26, 2003 15:49:45 GMT -5
speaking from experience there lmao
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Post by Waxel on Sept 26, 2003 18:28:22 GMT -5
Viperdoc aka stormy, you typed alot there for a 13 year old, are you sure you even have a credit card? lol
It's about time msn closes, who cares too much chat disruption anyways pp flooding, guest floods, kids, room taking, who cares, find a new place to chat, problem solved. ;D
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