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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Oct 6, 2003 10:28:50 GMT -5
touche !
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Post by Ohio on Oct 6, 2003 10:38:04 GMT -5
Which was my point the whole time... the fact that they copyrighted it before even writing to MSN... Yes overdose, I do have the ability to read. And here is the latter of your 2 stated posts. Right back to the "I am right, you suck" attitude.
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Post by overdose on Oct 6, 2003 10:39:41 GMT -5
No, just explaining the reason for my posts .
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Post by эך|χэ on Oct 6, 2003 10:40:08 GMT -5
That was beautiful Ohio
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Post by Ohio on Oct 6, 2003 10:45:36 GMT -5
No, just explaining the reason for my posts . Maybe you should try posting the first time without the personal attacks and the rest of the BS so you won't have to make a second post explaining the first one. David was rather adept at disagreeing with the method used with out being a total twit about it. I am not saying you have to be as detailed and winded as David expressing your opinion, but you don't need to be a jackass about it either. I hope the tolerance level for that behavior diminishes around here.
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Post by overdose on Oct 6, 2003 10:47:38 GMT -5
How were they personal?
And geez, if this is what I get everytime I disagree with something, I'll just agree with you all so you all get to hear what you want to hear.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 6, 2003 10:58:49 GMT -5
I do understand the thought that people do need some form of chatting that they can relate to. MSN made chatting quite easy for those who aren't computer-framed minded ("experts" as some would call them). Many of the scripters on these forums haven't even been doing it for more than 2 years; by far..they're not experts. Instead they're people who can adapt to change. Believe it or not, it's just as hard for "MSN Scripting experts" to change to a different server as someone who hadn't the faintest about any server. You may ask why?
It's a whole different world. Their scripts that they've spent so long on no longer work. That's why there have been comments regarding Nightstorm's and I's server to an IRCX-format (which technically is how MSN runs minus the webchat). Now keep in mind, many MSN scripters don't know anything about IRCd. People bug about mode changes, bans, services...they're newbies again. No longer are they "1337" or "Experts". Instead they're newbies like everyone else. Just that they know how to tinkle with mIRC to make scripts. I see no reason why people think that many MSN scripters can just up and go from MSN without any problem whatsoever. Still, at this time ..people on the server that I'm an Admin on ask about mode changing or why certain things happen. It's all new to them as it would be all new to anyone else.
It would be easy if everything else were easy. I know that makes little sense. But as I've been decompiling, patching, testing, decompiling, patching, testing for countless hours...it's not all that it's cr*cked up to be. Sure, it's easy to get the webchat interface through an application (viva la Webagent). But I don't want people to have to download a full client to connect to an IRC room (hey, was that how it was on MSN? nay). I'm not trying to emulate MSN, instead I'm trying to grasp their ease and make it how people will be able to do as they wish. That is not easy. Nor will it ever be easy. Some are making clones of MSN, some are making websites in hopes that it'll be like MSN, and others are just using MSN's business practices as a means of advertising theirselves as a server.
Do you know how many servers are preparing for this day? Quakenet and DALNet just to name a few. Quakenet has become more tolerant of staffing applications. DALnet supposively is going to have more tutorials to teach newbie mIRC users as to how to use services and other useful tools of an IRCd server. This change of MSN is effecting alot of people; not just users, not just MSN scripters, but people all over the internet in the chatting realm. People are trying, they really are. However, trying and copying are two different things.
I like the idea of trying to emulate MSN's ease of service. However, I dislike the idea of being exactly like MSN. It's MSN for crying out loud. The only people that are going to be exactly MSN is MSN itself. These clone server applications and websites are a coming out of the woodworks. I like that people are trying to expand their minds while working on such things. SilentSoft is expanding their horizons while learning how to emulate a protocol (via IRCXPro style), "GWC" is [hopefully] learning to code their own website instead of taking MSN's (regardless of any authorization they may have recieved, it's just asking for those who aren't mature enough to just state an opinion to flame), and various others that are trying to learn and adapt to help others through this change. At times, I feel like watching this board is like watching the blind leading the blind. While other times it feels like it's going somewhere.
Coming to the forum under different nicknames and just asking for trouble didn't help GWC's claim either (see "Rear Ender" and "T7" ..and "Haha/mooooooob"). However, that's a forum issue instead of something that is on the personal level.
This is my opinion...even Overdose understands that I don't agree with him all the way...even Exile understands this. The thing is, since everyone goes back and forth bashing one another..they refuse to see their enemy's side or opinion. Taking things as "face value" isn't all it's cr*cked up to be. However, "reading between the lines" sometimes is effective.
Edit Actually, 90%+ scripters do use other's coding somewhere in their existance. Either to learn from or to rip from. That's just how people learn is by example. That doens't make them 1337 if they don't...1337 is just...well, 1337
I'm sure you'll freak out looking at one of my long posts -again- Ryan. lol. yeh right i only read bits with my name or "leet" words, 1337 lol
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Post by Ohio on Oct 6, 2003 11:02:56 GMT -5
Quotes from posts by overdose br] "People are just lazy I guess in trying to enter a new world of learning." " I really don't care if I could 'do better' and you really shouldn't say 'can you do better?" "why not just pay for a subscription and suport the company that 'inspired' you guys to duplicate them" "Boy with a mullet" "Maybe you can give it a fresh new look, Microsoft.com maybe?" None of that was personal, right? That was all you just expressing your opinion on their work, or lack of? And not in one place did anyone say you had to agree. All I asked was for ppl not to be such dumbasses about it.
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Post by overdose on Oct 6, 2003 11:06:57 GMT -5
The website, as I know of, isn't a member of his family, so no it's not personal. And that mullet one, kustom asked if the picture was of a girl or boy did he not? So I answered a boy with a mullet, yeah real personal . FFS ohio I said sorry ok? This is the first disagreement that I've made out of all my posts and you give me a d**n hard time about it, geez. Just go and delete all my posts if it makes you happy. So can you drop it or are you gonna continue making me feel like sh!t? Bye. I don't see one of those quotes in which I directed at a single person by the way.
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Post by эך|χэ on Oct 6, 2003 11:23:52 GMT -5
I agree Ohio, Ive been on XT forum boards for the last 2+ years & it has always got on my goat about having to sift through all the cr@p to find something useful. Thus the reason for my seldom posts. It gets a little discouraging when you find that sort of attitude coming from people & it kind of wore me down. As far as I've always been aware of this board was created as a resource community, where we can band together & expand each others minds & Ideas. I am just glad that a few people caught site of this thread that are open minded enough to know the real reason we are here.
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Post by Ohio on Oct 6, 2003 11:24:13 GMT -5
Read your PM overdose, we can continue or discussion there instead of clogging up the board.
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Post by overdose on Oct 6, 2003 11:28:17 GMT -5
Yeah, agreed... my apologies to everyone... I do think GWC is a good idea and just like many things... will probably progress to be better. I can forget all the stuff I said, and hopefully everyone else can...
Hope I haven't made too many enemies out of my posts, for those who got annoyed / didn't like my posts, I apologise. But I've learned and will improve on future posts. Unforunately I did let it get a bit too out of hand but do regret this and have been on the forum for too long to just be banned or hated by the majority who read my posts so I don't just want to throw it all away on a single thread in which I was stupid and childish (which I admit). Have a good day all.
overdose.
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Post by Cope on Oct 6, 2003 11:58:27 GMT -5
Agree to disagree move on.
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Post by Waxel on Oct 6, 2003 12:09:52 GMT -5
It set me off too when when the guy took it as a joke when he said "he had permission" and for showing off.... what was he trying to show off he knows how to fully operate notepad?
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Post by Ohio on Oct 6, 2003 12:35:29 GMT -5
Axel you must be a ball of turmoil and anger since all I ever see from you is insults. To quote an earlier post of your "nobody cares" so get over it.
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