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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 9, 2004 7:45:09 GMT -5
it's become pretty commonplace in primary schools in Western Australia to not celebrate christmas and easter and other religious events because it's felt religion does not belong in schools and other religions may be offended.
whats your views ?
should religion be taught in primary or secondary schools or should it be kept at home ??
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Post by эך|χэ on Mar 9, 2004 8:00:58 GMT -5
Neither, religion should be an individuals personal choice, not something you jam down a childs throat. Sure teach them to be spiritual, but to me religion is a form of control. Just something else to rebel against.
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Post by Freak on Mar 9, 2004 8:05:53 GMT -5
schools here got arround it so much. christmas break changed to winter break. in school prayer changed to a moment of silence. and the ability to take a religous class as long as you arn't able to get school credit for it.
schools should be teaching kids to think for themselves instead of teaching them how to think like them.
baddd religion in schools
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Post by Duke Tosti on Mar 9, 2004 8:08:30 GMT -5
in my school we have two weeks off when it's around xmas and newyear ... same for easter ;D
and from origin xmas and easter are religious events ... but around here not many ppl look at those happenings that way ... it is celebrated in schools, but not with telling we celebrate because of this this and this religious facts [/font]
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Post by Webagent on Mar 9, 2004 9:26:46 GMT -5
We have diffrent schools here in holland, they are also diffrent religion orientated like we have Christian schools but also Katholic or Protestant maybe even Islamic..
so its not discriminating here.
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Post by эך|χэ on Mar 9, 2004 10:26:51 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with discrimination web, well not on my part. To me it's about freedom of choice. I respect peoples right to choose for themselves regardless of age just like I expect the right to make my own decisions. You can influence children by being a role model & someone they respect. What I'm against is parents & teachers forcing their beliefs onto their children & students. I think there are other more subtle ways to teach disapline to children. To me in alot of cases the harder you push children the harder they try to push back.
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Post by Webagent on Mar 9, 2004 12:17:36 GMT -5
Australia to not celebrate christmas and easter and other religious events because it's felt religion does not belong in schools and other religions may be offended. [/i][/color] [/quote] Allright I took "the other religions beeing offended" as discriminating. What I ment is no need to be offended if you are free wich school to put your child on, its the parents choice if you put your kids to a Christian school or a Katholic or other. What I'm against is parents & teachers forcing their beliefs onto their children & students. I think there are other more subtle ways to teach disapline to children. To me in alot of cases the harder you push children the harder they try to push back. Well the school playes a big role in educating the child, I have been to a Christian school while I am not religious, I didnt mind it was Christian because what mattered to me is that it was a verry good school with a verry good reputation and a high percentage rate of succesfull students, there were more schools in my neighberhood but on the Not-religious school (is that called Protestant? I dont even know lol, in Dutch it is "openbare") there were some serious attitude problems, students were using drugs there and the school had a bad name, but the most important part they based the reputation of a school was the percentage of students that succeded for a degree.. so I preferred the Christian school (my brother went there before me, and offcource my parents supported the idea lol) What I learned there was about the bible and about morals that are in the stories of the bible. These stories about Abraham, Delilah and Samson (I forgot most lol unless you remind me a name) all have a moral in the story, they learn you in a playfull way some good lessons in life. Offcource with kids it is always the case that they need to learn it the hard way, parents can tell a thousand time "do not touch!" but sometimes kids just have to experience, so in that view I agree you say "the harder you push children the harder they try to push back" I am a perfect example of it, my parents and everyone around me warned me for my (ex in the meantime) boyfriend, they said be carefull you wont be happy, he is bad news.. offcource I had your attitude and thought I knew better, anyways I had my 13 year lesson the hard way thinking I could change him. But what I dont agree with is, you cant expect me not to push my kids into what I think is best for them, I am their mother and I am trying to make happy grown humans out of them, if I truly believe in god (no matter if its Christian or not) and if I think norms and values are important, then you can say "I'm against parents forcing their beliefs onto their children" but you have to force a kid into his bed and make him brush his teeth when its bedtime aswell, a kid needs barriers and boundries, needs to be taught the meaning of "no" and to religious people their belief is the true worldview, and the stories in the bible teach good life lessons, you cant deny a parent teaching their kids the lessons of life the way they believe (religious or not). religious people would say "yes religion should be taught in school" not religious people would maybe say "no keep it at home" (I don't) but why make an issue if there is a school for religious people and if there is a school for not-religious people? You can disagree your parents put you on a religious school, thats another thing, but teachers cant help you picked their class to be in. But this is the Holland situation, I dont know about Australia.
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Post by nita on Mar 9, 2004 15:34:36 GMT -5
I don't know really on this one. Personally I think that religion should be taught to a child but by the parent. Seeing teachers may not believe the way the parent does, at least the child doesn't get confused.
I do however...miss seeing the kids say "The pledge of allegeance" to the american flag. They don't allow that anymore. Not in western Oklahoma anyways.
When I was in school, we had to memorize it.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 9, 2004 19:08:16 GMT -5
sorry web....perhaps i shouldve been more clear. i meant in public schools really. we have religious schools here too, cept it's to be expected that religion will be taught there, and some of the time thats the reason that kids are sent there by their parents....other reasons are cos they are deemed to be better schools
i have no problem with anyone being sent to a religious school and being taught religion. tho when i went to one in highschool i wagged the Religious Ed classes a lot and also skipped chapel in the mornings lol
i dont think it has any place in primary or secondary schools that are public tho. it is a parents responsibility to introduce religion to their kids. i also agree with our schools not having christmas celebrations etc. because of kids of other religions. with such diversity in australia it would possibly offend having christianity shoved down ya throat. [/i][/color]
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Post by Webagent on Mar 10, 2004 1:45:13 GMT -5
ok lol "openbare" schools dont teach chapel or have religious classes here in Holland, they do have Christmas holidays because its a banking holiday in US and Europe and they probably have a Christmas tree in the school because half of the world has this without beeing Christian.
I wouldnt mind a Christmas tree lol, what about Santa Claus? is he from the Christian bible? cant you simply selebrate Santa Claus? that doenst have anything to do with the religious birth of jesus who in fact wasnt even born with Christmas lol.
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Post by эך|χэ on Mar 10, 2004 1:46:05 GMT -5
Yeah we dont have a holiday for Chinese new year or Greek easter. So why have Christian holidays?
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 10, 2004 2:11:20 GMT -5
i dont have trees in my house at christmas, or do the whole present or santa claus thing.
my kids wont either as a result i spose.
i certainly dont want that in schools if it isnt in my house. if they wanna see a tree they can go stand in a department store and ooohh and aaaaahhhh at it lol
just the same as i dont want my kids learning about hannukah or eid or any other religious festival/celebration without me being involved until they are old enough.
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Post by Warrior124 on Mar 10, 2004 3:48:18 GMT -5
I hope I don't offend anyone here, lol, but I believe that some religion does need to be taught in schools, myself. Note that I said "some". For instance I disagree with teaching satanism, and such, because in many of their teachings I have heard that they sacrifice people to the devil, and such. I've never been a satanist. So, I don't know what all they do. However, I do know that most of it is bad.
Christian teachings on the other hand not only teaches about Jesus, and what all he did here on Earth, but it also teaches morality, and respect for life, and one another.
There was one day not too long ago when my older brother told me that in a school he was sending his children to, they were teaching witch craft, and how to cast spells, and such. Does this have anything to do with morality, and respect for life, and for others? I, myself donot think so. From this illustration it shows me that the person who cast spells, and such seeks to gain power for themselves. However, the Christian belief teaches us to lift our brother or sister higher than ourselves. Which means we should seek for the health, and well being of others before ourselves.
Today, many people are being taught to look after self, first, and others second. This type of teaching is the result of the state most of the world is in now. Many businesses are about to go under, because many people are thinking about self first. There are more people in the world nowadays dying of hunger, and disease, because of people worrying about themselves, and seeking to lift ones self up. Seeking to make ones self rich.
I have heard stories from my parents before how that back in "The days" if there was anyone sick on a farm that neighbors would come to that home, and help with the farm land, and in doing chores, and such until the owner of that farm got well. Today you don't see that anymore. If a person gets sick today, and had a business to run chances are that business might go into ruins just because of a couple of sick days. If you have a small business then you'd better stick with it even if you are sick, or you could face financial ruin. Unfortunately that is the cruel world we live in today. People have been taught to look after self, and forget about others. People say, "Don't force that morality garbage down my throat. I can do what I want". Yes, you can do what you want, but whoever says this is just making the world an even more difficult place to live in.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I think Christianity needs to be brought back to schools, myself. Sure, people has a right to live the way they want, and all, but in all teachings there needs to be a balance. For example. You can't teach a child how to shoot a gun without teaching the moralites, and consequences of shooting that gun, as well. Otherwise they would think that they can go out here, and shoot the first person that ticks them off the first time.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 10, 2004 4:17:06 GMT -5
christianity might teach morality to you but whats moral to you may not be to others.
and anyway.......religion and morality are not mutually exclusive. morality can easily be taught without referring to religious examples. [/i][/color]
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Post by overdose on Mar 10, 2004 5:18:54 GMT -5
i dont have trees in my house at christmas, or do the whole present or santa claus thing. [/i][/color][/quote] I don't think that has anything to do with religion, not for most people anyhow. Depends, you may have people come over and might want to decorate your house, so you stick up a christmas tree, doesnt have to be 'religion related'
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