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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 27, 2004 3:27:50 GMT -5
okay whats your views on this topic ?
euthanasia - dying with dignity or copping out ??
voice your opinions ! [/i][/color]
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Post by Warrior124 on Mar 27, 2004 4:25:56 GMT -5
Here is my view. Life is precious. Don't wimp out.
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Post by overdose on Mar 27, 2004 4:41:44 GMT -5
How does euthanasia wimp you out? It isn't the patients choice
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Post by Warrior124 on Mar 27, 2004 5:08:15 GMT -5
How does euthanasia wimp you out? It isn't the patients choice Well, I talked about my father dying with lung cancer when I was 18. Before he died he was given a choice whether to go onto life support if something ever happened to him, or just go ahead, and die without any intervention at all to save his life. Back then there wasn't much treatments at all that could've helped him. He went to kemo, and all, but the cancer was still growing. He chose to not be put on life support, because he thought there wasn't anything else that could've helped him. Well, after about a month later after he died my mother was watching the news, and she heard of a treatment they came up with that could prolong the life of someone who had lung cancer. Today they are finding medicines that can attack the cancerous cells in the lungs, and destroy it. If my father had of chosen to live then who knows. He might be cancer free, today. Life is always a tough battle on alot of people, but people should always fight to live life. Life is a precious commodity, and should never be laid down so easily P.S.:Unfortunately you are right about it not being a choice for people who are in coma's, and such. However, I believe that the family of that person needs to do all they can for that person to make sure he/she lives. Otherwise that person would be gone, forever.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 27, 2004 5:48:48 GMT -5
i agree with euthanasia. it's should be the individuals choice if they prefer to die peacefully and with dignity rather than having others make a decision for them.
living the remains of your life in extreme pain isnt living. being dosed up with drugs until you cant feel pain is not living either. [/i][/color]
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Post by overdose on Mar 27, 2004 6:12:50 GMT -5
Well, how can you let them make the choice in alot of cases? Alot of the time, someone may get shot or hit by a bus or something and are in a coma, how can they decide? Sure, maybe you could discuss it on a regular day, but alot of these cases are sudden so you can't really let the patient decide. And of course, they may be in pain or they might not depending on the circumstances, so it depends on each case.
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Post by mobil1_oils on Mar 27, 2004 8:15:10 GMT -5
I think if someone wants to use Euthanasy to end their life, because they are in immense amounts of pain and there is no available cure, then that is their choice to make.
If they are in a coma, then its really the familys decision, if the family wants topull life support, thats really their choice to make, we had to make that decision for my grandfather. He was on very high doses of morpheinfor his pain. He had a virus eating away his foot and some of his calf, the doctors could not tell us what it was, it was something they had never seen before.
They cut his leg off at the ankle in an attempt to stop it but it continued up his calf, so we cut it off just below the knee and it was fine, but the other leg decided to inherit the virus, and we cut it off above the knee and it continued, there was nothing they could do, in addition to the virus the wounds went gangreenous. He was having flashbacks from over 30 years ago, and thought he was living in them, he asked my father to get him his pipe (which he had lost more than 25 years ago).
He eventually stopped eating, and stopped drinking, and stopped responding to people and things. We decided enough was enough. We let him go quietly in his sleep. It was a sad thing to do, and really, it was not our decision to make, but he was in pain, and there was (basically) no hope of a cure. What else could we do? [/i][/color][/font]
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Post by Alexander on Mar 27, 2004 8:17:17 GMT -5
this is just wrong warrior, with elderly people in a home, you know what they all say? they wish they were dead, they hate being elderly and having to struggle without much dignity, the staff in homes do try their best but people dont want to grow to have to wear diapers because they cant control their bowels, or be bed bound or have to sit around waiting to die, your father made a decision and he has EVERY right to control his own destiny, sure theres treatment and ways to attack the cancer but would you rather that your father died with dignity how he wished and how he wanted... rather then having to wait around for possible treatment that he may have an allergic reaction too or might not work, though some elderly people enjoy old age i just feel so sorry for the ones who cant bear what they have become cancer patients die in pain, its a nasty way to go, surely your glad that your dad died in peace sure it was earlier then he would have liked but he didnt wimp out, he just wanted to go without all the suffering that comes with the disease and be able to have lived a relativly pain free life. sorry to say it warrior but people who say that cancer patients or in fact anyone who kills themselves are weak or wimping out are kinda being selfish because it was his path and theres nothing at all wrong with wanting to die if you have something thats treatable but still in the large part uncurable, especially when your in that much pain if someones in a coma the next of kin should choose, in my opinion if you know someone will end up a vegetable and unable to do anything much again, or they will spend the rest of their lives on the machine or if they are unlikely to wake up again or if they are in a lot of pain, then i guess it would be best to let them die, unless of course they tell you that if anything happens to them dont turn off the machine very ethical issue pashy, good thread
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Post by Dangermouse on Mar 27, 2004 8:42:32 GMT -5
My grandad is in a home after having a serious fall at home, hes just being going down hill. The way they treat him is disgusting, especially for the money they pay (£450 a month). He gets served SPAM for dinner, other people in the home wear his clothes, if he messes himself its usually left. My nan is the only one who visits twice a day, some of them in there are lucky if its twice a YEAR. And she usually does their work, gets him dressed, feeds him etc because they dont want to give him the time of day. And its not just the one home, hes been to three and theyve all been the same. What kind of life is that. I wouldnt say it up to the point of euthanasia, but if he got worse, i think it would be better for him to go peacefully, if thats what he wanted.
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 27, 2004 8:45:43 GMT -5
ty alex. i've been wanting to do it for a while now, since my nan passed away few weeks ago.
i've been thinking about this a lot since she was in hospital and stuff.
surely the way you live is a basic human right and if thats the case the way you die should be also.
my nanna never wanted to die having ppl looking at her, worrying about her and talking about her whilst she couldnt respond. if she was able to respond in any way and knew what the outcome of her stroke and heart attack wouldve been she wouldve said straight out - KILL ME !
unfortunately she was kept alive with a food drip for a few weeks. the idea was to keep her alive until her organs shut down and she couldnt survive any longer.
my mother and aunt stepped in and they pulled out the tube and morphed her up so she would pass away quicker. even then, it took too long.
anyway my point is.....thats not bloody living. it was painful for us her family to see and all the more painful because we knew that she wouldve hated what was being done to her.
she couldnt make her decision to die because she wasnt conscious. if she was tho, and was able to say to someone "please let me die now, dont prolong the pain or the embarrassment" there should be some avenue that she couldve taken to do that.
when it comes to my time i hope i can make that decision. i hope euthanasia is legal then. [/i][/color]
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Post by Alexander on Mar 27, 2004 9:12:39 GMT -5
also brings up the point about suicide being illegal, ironic it being illegal because you cant arrest a corpse, they should legalise it, killing someone else should be a crime but ending your own life is your decision
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 27, 2004 9:37:32 GMT -5
...dont bring up suicide. they are two different things entirely and i dont wanna go off topic again lol [/i][/color]
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Post by Alexander on Mar 27, 2004 9:46:17 GMT -5
suicide and euthanasia are almost the same thing... your performing an act to either request or perform a task to end your existance
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Post by .•´¯`•þasђγ•._.•´ on Mar 27, 2004 10:16:26 GMT -5
they are similar, not the same.
for all intensive purposes euthanasia is for those suffering terminal illness or incurable disease.
if you dont have one or both of those, it's not considered euthanasia, it's considered suicide.
so keep it the discussion to euthanasia for now and we can talk suicide another time [/i][/color]
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Post by Duke Tosti on Mar 27, 2004 13:05:27 GMT -5
onw choice
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